'08 OU - Went to the national title game with a defense that gave up:

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Jun 22, 2022
9:53:40pm

Corn Pop Truly Addicted User

'08 OU - Went to the national title game with a defense that gave up:

45 to Texas
31 to Kansas
35 to KState
28 to Nebraska
28 to aTm
41 to OkSt

They won 34 games from '06 to '08 with a defense that was never stellar, though it was decent in '06.

TT won 11 games in '08. They gave up 41 pts to Ole Miss and 65 to Oklahoma, among other terrible defensive games.

Baylor won 22 games between '13 and '14. Please, be my guest and sell me on just how great those defenses were.

I'm tired of this dumb game. Please, please come back with some kind of coherent argument that doesn't center around, "Well, we won so it doesn't matter that the defense wasn't really good."

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A-Rod said Offenses avg 13.5 posessions per game. BYU avgeraged about 10

6/22/22 8:39pm

It’s a major problem.

6/22/22 8:40pm

Offense had a significantly better Points scored per possession compared to

kotacoug

6/22/22 8:46pm

The offensive tempo is a small part of it too

I'mBatman

6/22/22 8:46pm

It has to to keep the defense off the field.

6/23/22 11:15am

This is the biggest indictment of Tuiaki

macdizzle

6/22/22 8:49pm

But Tuiaki thinks nothing is wrong

Heath Squashwell

6/22/22 8:49pm

Like ive said since day 1. ..

6/22/22 8:51pm

You said that after we gave up 16 points to UA in Phoenix 2016? Link?

mulletino

6/22/22 8:53pm

I believe he actually said it the day Tuiaki was announced as Kalani's DC

slatecoug

6/23/22 12:19am

It was actually the day Tuiaki was born…

Refugee

6/23/22 4:13am

Not to mention that having the defensive players on the field for more plays leads to more injuries.

ManicBlue

6/22/22 8:53pm

Football has rotating possessions.

Blueto

6/22/22 8:58pm

You can play that game both ways. 10 possessions when average is 13.5? Not good.

mulletino

6/22/22 9:00pm

How do you know? What is good? Winning? Would more possessions mean more

Blueto

6/22/22 9:03pm

The offense averages more points per possession. So…yes.

mulletino

6/22/22 9:07pm

Listen to what you are saying… if our offense is more efficient at scoring

The_Cuss

6/23/22 12:22am

Just like in basketball

6/23/22 1:10am

Take out the cupcake 2020 season and get back to me.

YbeatsU

6/23/22 7:59am

Ahh yes th2 covid hs season to support tuiaki. The next 3 y3ars will

6/23/22 11:19am

Get help. Gleefully rooting for your team to fail because of your hatred

Blueto

6/23/22 1:05pm

I am not rooting for byu to fail

6/23/22 8:10pm

Limiting possessions because your offense doesn't leave the field = good

Corn Pop

6/22/22 9:03pm

If the defense is bad do you want to give teams more possessions?

Blueto

6/22/22 9:04pm

If your offense averages more points per possession then it’s pretty obvious.

mulletino

6/22/22 9:11pm

I'd compare it to a basketball team that runs a slow it down four corner

Blueto

6/22/22 9:15pm

We don't have a ball control offense. We have a defense that can't get off the

Corn Pop

6/22/22 9:22pm

The comp you seek is aemy air force, navy. Their defenses often

6/23/22 11:27am

If they are scoring on a majority of their drives, it makes no difference. Well,

Corn Pop

6/22/22 9:18pm

Explain 21-4 with your theory

Blueto

6/22/22 9:26pm

That's easy. Mostly good offense mixed with bad opponents in 2020, plus

Corn Pop

6/22/22 9:33pm

You don't have many double digit win seasons while having a "terrible" defense,

basman

6/22/22 9:37pm

I think the bigger point here is playing to strength. When your O is your strength you get them the ball more.

6/22/22 9:52pm

'08 OU - Went to the national title game with a defense that gave up:

Corn Pop

6/22/22 9:53pm

You do during a worldwide pandemoc vs hs teams..and then the

6/23/22 11:35am

Except the defense specifically won games. Utah, ASU, WSU, USC all games won by

Blueto

6/22/22 10:12pm

when you limit the number of possessions, it isn't a good argument to say you

here's to hoping

6/22/22 10:41pm

🤣🤣🤣🤣Our defense won games.🤣🤣🤣. I needed that.

6/23/22 11:39am

2020: Strength of schedule; 2021: weak pac 12 and an elite offense.

here's to hoping

6/22/22 10:27pm

Holy crap..take each game and analyze it. We played crappy inferior

6/23/22 11:32am

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slatecoug

6/23/22 12:32am

Look at the number of plays per game of cfb teams and tell me if you want to be

palangi

6/22/22 11:00pm

I wouldn't mind being number 12 on the list

here's to hoping

6/22/22 11:04pm

Yes. Definitely scoring really fast and a lot of 3 and outs is the best scenario

palangi

6/22/22 11:23pm

I don't know why more teams don't just do that

here's to hoping

6/22/22 11:33pm

But also #119. I'm not sure this list really tells us anything, by itself.

squidmark

6/23/22 6:02am

What it says a lot of plays/possessions doesn't necessarily equal success and

palangi

6/23/22 8:30am

We dont all play the same schedule sobits not a good stat

6/23/22 11:47am

You could say that about any stat

palangi

6/23/22 12:14pm

I noticed that Georgia and Cincy, #1 and #5 in Scoring D were also 2 of the lowest for Plays Run

slatecoug

6/23/22 12:34am

There's so much missing from that stat. Which is why its not a good one to

6/23/22 11:50am

In your opinion

slatecoug

6/23/22 12:12pm

The offense Has to be methodical to keep our defense off the field

6/23/22 11:46am

I suppose it's a credit to our zone D on 3rd and 3..

SausageKing

6/22/22 11:17pm

If teams have a lot of 3 and outs, and BYU's offense didn't have a lot, then

OldFogey

6/23/22 5:56am

There is only one reason to limit possessions:

Hazzard

6/23/22 9:29am

Wouldn’t the offense’s time of possession be another important factor?

Hyrum in Houston

6/23/22 10:10am

It's because Tuiaki gets praised for his low points given up

Hill4Heisman

6/23/22 10:45am

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