Here’s what he had to say:

“Utah is basically the Notre Dame of Salt Lake County.”

“Because of the way Utah forced Ohio State to beat them in the Rose Bowl, he thinks the Buckeyes will be strong advocates for Utah to join their league.”

“Utah outgrowing the PAC12 was inevitable. They proved last year they’re just on a higher level than Oregon and the like. If I was Utah, I wouldn’t accept the first offer. Make the SEC and BIG10 engage in a bidding war for the Utes.”

I shouldn’t name drop, but what the heck…

My ABC source is Wesley Ruff.