I made this post on the Utah and Oregon message boards to see if they will give their thoughts. I have seen some negative comments particularly on the Utah board regarding the Big 12. For me, Baylor fan, I haven't forgotten about some of the past opinions from the Pac 12 schools against most Big 12 schools minus OU and UT.

Utah board post: https://forum.utefans.net/t/are-the-pac-12-teams-a-fit-for-the-big-12/7388 — I guess this board is dead. Anyone know if you can create topic on the boards of other teams with a premium subscription to Rivals??

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Baylor fan here. Constructive points to our potential new members if Oregon could swallow the drop in competition. : )) I'm curious about some thoughts on these points:


1) It seems like Pac 12 schools have little respect for Big 12 schools minus OU and UT. I've seen discussion on the Utah board today about their reluctance to be in the Big 12 because of religious schools. In past Pac 12 expansion talks, I recall at least one of these schools being left out of the discussion because of this point. I've also seen plenty of discussion about how the Big 12 schools aren't on the same level academically. And on average that's true for sure. So from a Fit perspective, how do you think the Pac 12 schools would fit with the Big 12? I believe some of the Big 12 schools have some strong feelings about the past attitudes of the Pac 12 schools towards the Big 12. And I think Fit is as high on the Big 12 radar as revenue and I have seen this discussed by the Baylor AD. The UT cancer is leaving. Big $$ loss but also a misFit leaving.

When one Big 12 leader was asked about taking schools from the Pac 12, he said "Why?".

How do you think the Pac 12 schools would fit in the Big 12. Would they be happy partners and constructive members or cancerous? Which Pac 12 schools would fit the most, if any?

2) I have seen plenty of talk about how the Pac 12 schools are more competitive than the Big 12 and a move to the Big 12 would be a move into the mid majors or something like this. And maybe this is because they would join a conference without OU and UT. How many of you know the success level (lack of) of UT for the past decade? But where do these beliefs come from? How well has the Pac 12 minus UCLA and USC performed in terms of bowl games and rankings versus the Big 12 minus OU and UT but plus the 4 new schools? Are the Pac 12 teams that much better than the Big 12 or actually worse?

See linked article about 2021 bowl performances. And this trend didn't just start in 2021. This has been a multi-year theme.

- Big 12 (excluding OU and including the new 4): 6-1 with Cinci losing to Bama in the Playoffs.
- Pac 12 : 0-5

From the linked article, "College football bowl season winners, losers: Big 12 steps up; Pac-12's stink will linger".




Latest Top 25 (counting OU & UT as SEC // USC & UCLA as B1G // Cinci, UCF, BYU, Houston as Big 12)

Top 10:

Big 12 = 3
SEC = 3
B1G = 3
ACC = 0
Pac 12 = 0

11-25:

ACC = 4
SEC = 3
Big 12 = 2
Pac 12 = 2
B1G = 1

And notably USC and UCLA are not in the Top 25.




And the Big 12 is the best basketball conference. Any disagreement? Check those wins and rankings.

Do you think any Big 12 teams could be attracted to the Pac 12 based on these points? Or do you think Pac 12 teams are more likely to come swimming to the Big 12?


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1) My hope for the Big 12: add Oregon and Washington IF they will commit to working to Fit into the conference. Probably have them and all other members sign a 250 million buyout. If this doesn't happen, add 2 of the best fit.

2) Wait to take 2 from the ACC when the B1G and SEC rob them of at least North Carolina, Clemson, FSU, and Miami.


Thoughts?