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Jul 29, 2022
9:41:06am

Pretorian All-American

Really, who doesn’t know that?

I don’t disagree with them deserving a leg up, but sadly, something given is never valued as much as something worked for…

In my masters program 3 of 35 dropped out… all 3 were minorities and getting education for free

One got pregnant
One got a job during school
And I’m not sure on the other

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Pretorian

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Looks like the University of Utah will be permitted to retain the Ute name for the foreseeable future:

Brisco All-American

7/29/22 12:02am

If anyone in the US deserves a leg up it’s Native Americans.

greatbam

7/29/22 12:05am

Seriously sooo many people don't realize how bad they got it

HMASON15

7/29/22 12:18am

Who doesn't know the history?

The Y's Insider

7/29/22 8:49am

History? It's still happening

7/29/22 11:28am

If you get the chance watch Ken Burn's "The West" it's incredible

HMASON15

7/29/22 11:56am

Watched it. loved it.

The Y's Insider

7/29/22 5:10pm

Really, who doesn’t know that?

Pretorian

7/29/22 9:41am

When do you read or hear about it in mainstream media?

andrewth

7/29/22 4:22pm

You do realize the worst happened hundreds of years ago right…

Pretorian

7/29/22 6:48pm

Wish BYU would do this. My Navajo kids would much rather be a Coug

cougarblue

7/29/22 12:17am

My Iroquois kids as well, but still awesome that it is being done in the state

orazcoug

7/29/22 12:56am

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SouthernBlueBlood

7/29/22 4:06am

I thought there was such a policy? There was in the 80s/90s.

Orem58thBall

7/29/22 9:24am

This honestly makes my heart so happy.

andrewth

7/29/22 5:16pm

Wow. A double hit. Losing tuition $ and stuck with

DirtyWater

7/29/22 5:11am

This is an addition to the Memorandum of Understanding,

Everyman

7/29/22 5:40am

This should happen at all Utah public colleges

Ted Lasso

7/29/22 6:03am

as long as the kids keep their grades up.

Pangare

7/29/22 8:22am

Seems like the legislature would make that decision. Not the school.

ugo1st

7/29/22 8:05am

This stuff bugs the crap out of me

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 8:06am

Seriously? You are upset that they are paying tuition for Native Americans??????

crimedog

7/29/22 8:10am

I didn’t kick anyone of any land. I was born right here in the states,

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 8:29am

RE: I didn’t kick anyone of any land. I was born right here in the states,

crimedog

7/29/22 8:43am

Cute

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 9:15am

I don’t think any modern individual should be blamed or feel guilty for the

Ski-U-Mah

7/29/22 9:43am

Ok so when do we start?

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 10:02am

At the very least we start when the US government started forcing Native

Ski-U-Mah

7/29/22 11:08am

RE: Ok so when do we start?

greatbam

7/29/22 11:18am

We started in 1861.

Orem58thBall

7/31/22 3:20pm

Re: Pioneers able to succeed despite oppression

greatbam

7/29/22 10:47am

So many problems with this but it’s not an issue of intent at all

Pretorian

7/29/22 11:58am

Take a quick drive on any reservation, and then resubmit your post.

Tweege

7/29/22 8:13am

And yet there is still plenty of grant money and scholarship money for poor

7/29/22 8:28am

Ya? Wel by that logic there are more poor whites in this country…

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 8:35am

terrible logic.

Ted Lasso

7/29/22 8:37am

Please…

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 9:18am

it's okay to offer help to some without offering help to all.

Ted Lasso

7/29/22 11:10am

It has nothing to do with deserve. It has to do with elevating people from

7/29/22 11:33am

I take it back. This is the worse take ever

crimedog

7/29/22 8:42am

Thanks for adding so much to the dialogue!

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 8:58am

No need to you are digging your own hole.

crimedog

7/29/22 9:21am

😂

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 9:38am

I think your anger is coming from a decent place but you're coming across as almost racist. You're saying poverty is

byujacob

7/29/22 8:45am

That’s ok. Call me racist

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 8:48am

Wow! Glad you are a Y fan, but some pretty serious stereotypes there. Welcome to

BYU I Bleed Blue

7/29/22 8:56am

I don’t mean cougar board

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 9:00am

Only thing I am saying is "the internet mob" rarely if ever applies to CB.

BYU I Bleed Blue

7/29/22 9:06am

I have.

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 9:23am

I know for me personally, it has nothing to do with self loathing.

7/29/22 9:06am

Don’t you see the implicit double standard in your position though?

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 9:35am

Here's a good illustration that may help address this

GA_Coug

7/29/22 2:45pm

I never said reservations weren’t tough places to live

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 8:51am

I lived on the Navajo reservation as well. I agree with you. Race alone should

The Kavorka

7/29/22 8:55am

It’s such a tough principle… you want to help the people who need it but then th

kotacoug

7/29/22 9:14am

Helping a young person attend college is not on the wrong side of help.

Ted Lasso

7/29/22 9:24am

It’s more of a PR stunt than anything. They need more on every level before that

kotacoug

7/29/22 9:36am

Giving all kids free school is a different topic. But in our current environment

The Kavorka

7/29/22 11:44am

There should be some merit involved.

Pangare

7/29/22 10:22am

I've been working with impoverished people my whole career. There is no doubt in my mind that the number one determining

byujacob

7/29/22 9:11am

Amen. That understanding is not "white guilt." It's facts and figures. It's been taken too far often by the strong

Ted Lasso

7/29/22 9:26am

Lol no it isn’t.

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 9:41am

You act like there is no help for them. Look up Pell Grant. In fact in Utah, if you qualify for a Pell grant, you get

Ted Lasso

7/29/22 11:37am

Re: "You can’t single out certain groups for political brownie points with tax payer dollars. It’s just not right."

greatbam

7/29/22 11:32am

These are the kinds of posts we need more of. Constructive ones. That seek

7/29/22 8:59am

I had a class with a Native American girl, she was the only person she knew

Jizosh

7/29/22 9:33am

Free college for those who are accepted is complete different than giving the

Ski-U-Mah

7/29/22 11:13am

Totally disagree. I think the implication of most targeted programs/legislation

7/29/22 4:09pm

The Fed / State / Local governments don't have to give anything away for free. They should be..

greatbam

7/29/22 11:37am

If you don't understand it's because you don't want to understand

7/29/22 11:30am

Really doesn't matter what you did or didn't do

ALC

7/29/22 3:27pm

Sadly it probably wasn’t even fully utilized. I hope it gives some of these kids

kotacoug

7/29/22 9:09am

Honest question. Have we incentivized Native Americans to not progress. It

HenderCoug

7/29/22 9:48am

In related news, BYU is offering free tuition to all cougars

Hill4Heisman

7/29/22 11:19am

To attract potential NFL-caliber QBs?

Ski-U-Mah

7/29/22 11:22am

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