Totally disagree. I think the implication of most targeted programs/legislation

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Jul 29, 2022
4:09:12pm

DescendentCoug 3rd String

Totally disagree. I think the implication of most targeted programs/legislation

is that Poor people, minorities, or whoever is benefiting is too stupid to make their own decisions. Luckily, us smart, rich folks know what’s best. They aren’t children, and they aren’t stupid.

Free college is probably one of the very few exceptions because there are benefits to society and those other than the actual college student. However, subsidizing schools with student loans and everything else has also driven the price up for everyone. So, there certainly have been trade offs.

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Looks like the University of Utah will be permitted to retain the Ute name for the foreseeable future:

Brisco All-American

7/29/22 12:02am

If anyone in the US deserves a leg up it’s Native Americans.

greatbam

7/29/22 12:05am

Seriously sooo many people don't realize how bad they got it

HMASON15

7/29/22 12:18am

Who doesn't know the history?

The Y's Insider

7/29/22 8:49am

History? It's still happening

7/29/22 11:28am

If you get the chance watch Ken Burn's "The West" it's incredible

HMASON15

7/29/22 11:56am

Watched it. loved it.

The Y's Insider

7/29/22 5:10pm

Really, who doesn’t know that?

Pretorian

7/29/22 9:41am

When do you read or hear about it in mainstream media?

andrewth

7/29/22 4:22pm

You do realize the worst happened hundreds of years ago right…

Pretorian

7/29/22 6:48pm

Wish BYU would do this. My Navajo kids would much rather be a Coug

cougarblue

7/29/22 12:17am

My Iroquois kids as well, but still awesome that it is being done in the state

orazcoug

7/29/22 12:56am

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SouthernBlueBlood

7/29/22 4:06am

I thought there was such a policy? There was in the 80s/90s.

Orem58thBall

7/29/22 9:24am

This honestly makes my heart so happy.

andrewth

7/29/22 5:16pm

Wow. A double hit. Losing tuition $ and stuck with

DirtyWater

7/29/22 5:11am

This is an addition to the Memorandum of Understanding,

Everyman

7/29/22 5:40am

This should happen at all Utah public colleges

Ted Lasso

7/29/22 6:03am

as long as the kids keep their grades up.

Pangare

7/29/22 8:22am

Seems like the legislature would make that decision. Not the school.

ugo1st

7/29/22 8:05am

This stuff bugs the crap out of me

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 8:06am

Seriously? You are upset that they are paying tuition for Native Americans??????

crimedog

7/29/22 8:10am

I didn’t kick anyone of any land. I was born right here in the states,

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 8:29am

RE: I didn’t kick anyone of any land. I was born right here in the states,

crimedog

7/29/22 8:43am

Cute

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 9:15am

I don’t think any modern individual should be blamed or feel guilty for the

Ski-U-Mah

7/29/22 9:43am

Ok so when do we start?

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 10:02am

At the very least we start when the US government started forcing Native

Ski-U-Mah

7/29/22 11:08am

RE: Ok so when do we start?

greatbam

7/29/22 11:18am

We started in 1861.

Orem58thBall

7/31/22 3:20pm

Re: Pioneers able to succeed despite oppression

greatbam

7/29/22 10:47am

So many problems with this but it’s not an issue of intent at all

Pretorian

7/29/22 11:58am

Take a quick drive on any reservation, and then resubmit your post.

Tweege

7/29/22 8:13am

And yet there is still plenty of grant money and scholarship money for poor

7/29/22 8:28am

Ya? Wel by that logic there are more poor whites in this country…

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 8:35am

terrible logic.

Ted Lasso

7/29/22 8:37am

Please…

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 9:18am

it's okay to offer help to some without offering help to all.

Ted Lasso

7/29/22 11:10am

It has nothing to do with deserve. It has to do with elevating people from

7/29/22 11:33am

I take it back. This is the worse take ever

crimedog

7/29/22 8:42am

Thanks for adding so much to the dialogue!

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 8:58am

No need to you are digging your own hole.

crimedog

7/29/22 9:21am

😂

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 9:38am

I think your anger is coming from a decent place but you're coming across as almost racist. You're saying poverty is

byujacob

7/29/22 8:45am

That’s ok. Call me racist

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 8:48am

Wow! Glad you are a Y fan, but some pretty serious stereotypes there. Welcome to

BYU I Bleed Blue

7/29/22 8:56am

I don’t mean cougar board

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 9:00am

Only thing I am saying is "the internet mob" rarely if ever applies to CB.

BYU I Bleed Blue

7/29/22 9:06am

I have.

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 9:23am

I know for me personally, it has nothing to do with self loathing.

7/29/22 9:06am

Don’t you see the implicit double standard in your position though?

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 9:35am

Here's a good illustration that may help address this

GA_Coug

7/29/22 2:45pm

I never said reservations weren’t tough places to live

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 8:51am

I lived on the Navajo reservation as well. I agree with you. Race alone should

The Kavorka

7/29/22 8:55am

It’s such a tough principle… you want to help the people who need it but then th

kotacoug

7/29/22 9:14am

Helping a young person attend college is not on the wrong side of help.

Ted Lasso

7/29/22 9:24am

It’s more of a PR stunt than anything. They need more on every level before that

kotacoug

7/29/22 9:36am

Giving all kids free school is a different topic. But in our current environment

The Kavorka

7/29/22 11:44am

There should be some merit involved.

Pangare

7/29/22 10:22am

I've been working with impoverished people my whole career. There is no doubt in my mind that the number one determining

byujacob

7/29/22 9:11am

Amen. That understanding is not "white guilt." It's facts and figures. It's been taken too far often by the strong

Ted Lasso

7/29/22 9:26am

Lol no it isn’t.

NonmormonYfan89

7/29/22 9:41am

You act like there is no help for them. Look up Pell Grant. In fact in Utah, if you qualify for a Pell grant, you get

Ted Lasso

7/29/22 11:37am

Re: "You can’t single out certain groups for political brownie points with tax payer dollars. It’s just not right."

greatbam

7/29/22 11:32am

These are the kinds of posts we need more of. Constructive ones. That seek

7/29/22 8:59am

I had a class with a Native American girl, she was the only person she knew

Jizosh

7/29/22 9:33am

Free college for those who are accepted is complete different than giving the

Ski-U-Mah

7/29/22 11:13am

Totally disagree. I think the implication of most targeted programs/legislation

7/29/22 4:09pm

The Fed / State / Local governments don't have to give anything away for free. They should be..

greatbam

7/29/22 11:37am

If you don't understand it's because you don't want to understand

7/29/22 11:30am

Really doesn't matter what you did or didn't do

ALC

7/29/22 3:27pm

Sadly it probably wasn’t even fully utilized. I hope it gives some of these kids

kotacoug

7/29/22 9:09am

Honest question. Have we incentivized Native Americans to not progress. It

HenderCoug

7/29/22 9:48am

In related news, BYU is offering free tuition to all cougars

Hill4Heisman

7/29/22 11:19am

To attract potential NFL-caliber QBs?

Ski-U-Mah

7/29/22 11:22am

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