But that cannot be truth. Things are or they are not. They were or they were not

Jan 24, 2023
1:25:57pm

TailgateU All-American

Doesn't matter what someone believes, that does not change reality.

The sun shines or it doesn't. BYU does or does not have an NC trophy from 1984. People landed on the moon or they did not. These are facts, and facts are truth.

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"my truth" or "your truth" is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. sorry.

Supercoug

1/24/23 6:47am

When you accept that there is no objective truth, life becomes much simpler

Indy Coug

1/24/23 6:48am

In the short run.

Blue Print

1/24/23 6:53am

Whatever serves my interests in the here and now

Indy Coug

1/24/23 6:57am

I’m glad people are starting to see it my way.

WDaddy

1/24/23 7:39am

there is no spoon

demon_llama

1/24/23 8:05am

Good point. However, I can see the opposite as well - if one accepts that there

LeGrandBleu

1/24/23 8:29am

But that cannot be truth. Things are or they are not. They were or they were not

TailgateU

1/24/23 1:25pm

How you have explained it is the best way IMO. On the flip, I had had some very

Ode to Hoy

1/24/23 10:14pm

Yeah, 3 terms people need to understand are truth, belief, and opinion.

TailgateU

1/25/23 9:36am

It's a terrible phrase ... let's please go back to "my opinion."

sakar12

1/24/23 6:50am

Pretty shocked it's a U of U guy thumbs-downing a post about lack of thinking.

Supercoug

1/24/23 6:55am

There is some truth to it though. I agree it is used to just justify anything a

Ozymandias

1/24/23 6:57am

maybe "my viewpoint" or "my perspective" might be better then???

rotorhead

1/24/23 7:00am

Isn't that understanding someone's perspective? There's just a

Supercoug

1/24/23 7:00am

It is understanding that they take in truth differently than I do.

Ozymandias

1/24/23 7:02am

Agreed. "Truth" is just so absolute sounding.

sakar12

1/24/23 7:02am

i was trying to make the same point - call your perspective your perspective

rotorhead

1/24/23 7:14am

But then there is no truth because we can only observe truth from our imperfect

Ozymandias

1/24/23 7:56am

My experience or opinion are better, or just coming out and calling it anecdotal

vagabonder

1/24/23 7:00am

That's true, but possibly the most dangerous thing in the history of the world is people being completely certain that

Byron McNertney

1/24/23 7:00am

are these two things mutually exclusive?

Supercoug

1/24/23 7:01am

No. That's why I started by saying your post is true.

Byron McNertney

1/24/23 7:03am

then we probably agree

Supercoug

1/24/23 7:04am

They just mean "my perspective or opinion" but they want to make sure you can't disagree.

Ted Lasso

1/24/23 7:08am

And others call their perspective or opinion "THE truth."

Byron McNertney

1/24/23 7:13am

There’s a fundamental difference between “the truth” and “my truth.”

Blue Print

1/24/23 7:33am

Many people, even here on this board, proclaim “truth” related to unobjective

Ozymandias

1/24/23 7:59am

What absolute nonsense.

Blue Print

1/24/23 8:59am

Lol. Strawmen everywhere. Where did I ever say or even imply that I object to

Ozymandias

1/24/23 10:04am

Keep digging.

Blue Print

1/24/23 10:25am

I am open to everyone sharing their truth. You are the one who is not. What am I

Ozymandias

1/24/23 10:54am

I don't care about people sharing their truth. I object to them requiring that

Blue Print

1/24/23 11:03am

That isn’t what you seemed to imply in your first post on this thread.

Ozymandias

1/24/23 11:18am

What?

Blue Print

1/24/23 1:00pm

Haha, that is exactly what I had to do. You keep moving the goal posts in the

Ozymandias

1/24/23 1:27pm

So, you're a student of the Derek Zoolander school I see.

Blue Print

1/24/23 3:03pm

Lol. That is your truth I suppose.

Ozymandias

1/24/23 3:59pm

You go find two lines where I ever contradicted myself in this thread.

Blue Print

1/25/23 9:03am

Further changing the argument to bring in items that haven’t been discussed

Ozymandias

1/25/23 9:48am

And as as I wrote in my post, many use the term "the truth" the same way others use "my truth."

Byron McNertney

1/24/23 8:04am

No, I don’t think so. A person who understands personal perspective would not

King of Y

1/24/23 11:40pm

No need to apologize.

Lifer

1/24/23 7:37am

RE: "my truth" or "your truth" is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. sorry.

Doogal McCougar

1/24/23 8:42am

Thought a lot about this over the years. Trouble is, “reality” is complex. Why?

canofpicante

1/24/23 12:36pm

ACTUALLY:) Iirc, in quantum mechanics, two observers can look at the same

Undefeated

1/24/23 11:15pm

You might think this is crazy. But I think you are right. I’ve heard many times

canofpicante

1/25/23 8:44am

Ha. My dad just told me the other day that I think too much. If I had time right

Undefeated

1/25/23 8:56am

In short, I believe that the behavior of electrons, literally being everywhere

canofpicante

1/25/23 10:07am

Now I see.

Undefeated

1/25/23 11:01am

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