bag and pad that I've had for around 10 years that have worked great. Getting the air out of the pad is the worst part. The valve isn't the most user friendly but it hasn't been too much trouble either. As I said in my post above it looks like they don't even sell any sleeping bags that aren't at least partially filled with synthetic fill and even that one weighs over 4 pounds so I'll be looking elsewhere for my next bag. Overall though, I've liked their equipment that I've had.