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Jan 29, 2023
10:26:08am

RdF3 Inactive user

Cheese Fries (and other Ute fans) since you would like this to be a Utah message board, can you please respond to this?

I propose that the Pac-12 is actually no better than a G5 conference and Utah is a fraud having benefited from a patsy conference. Proof:

1) The Pac-12 is 18-17 head-to-head as a conference against the Mountain West over the past 35 matchups. What do you have to say about that?

2) Utah hasn’t beaten a Power 5 non-conference opponent since 2017.

3) The Pac-12 as a conference is 11-26 in bowl games from the 2017 season until now.

4) In Utah’s lauded 2021 year where they won the Pac-12, you still lost a Mountain West team that didn’t even win the Mountain West.

5) In that span Utah has scheduled/played home & home games with Wyoming, Northern Illinois, and San Jose state.

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Cheese Fries (and other Ute fans) since you would like this to be a Utah message board, can you please respond to this?

RdF3 Inactive user

1/29/23 10:26am

How long has it been since the Yewts beat BYU in football or basketball?

HarlemCoug

1/29/23 10:28am

2019 for both

CougarGuy84

1/29/23 10:31am

How many kids alive now weren't even born way back then? Millions!

BYUtka

1/29/23 10:39am

RE: How many kids alive now weren't even born way back then? Millions!

CougarGuy84

1/29/23 10:40am

RE: Cheese Fries (and other Ute fans) since you would like this to be a Utah

1/29/23 10:28am

Ouch- just the facts. I’d still love to have that record for BYU eve

SouthernBlueBlood

1/29/23 10:29am

Yeah, but how many "quality losses" do they have during this span.....🤣😂

jtm0001

1/29/23 10:37am

🌹🌹🌹🐊🐊🐊🌹🌹🌹

BYUtka

1/29/23 10:39am

All true but I would love to keep beating them on the field. I’d be

FieroCoug

1/29/23 10:38am

Bowl performance and OCC have been disappointing for Utah for sure

Cheese Fries

1/29/23 10:43am

You responded all about byu. This has nothing to do with byu. This is about Utah being wildly overrated.

RdF3

1/29/23 10:46am

Isn’t this BYU board?

Cheese Fries

1/29/23 10:48am

You wanted to talk Utah let’s talk Utah. You didn’t counter any points. So you agree and can’t refute Utah has been

RdF3

1/29/23 10:50am

I’d rather be positive and excited for future of both schools

Cheese Fries

1/29/23 10:59am

Your actions speak otherwise.

BYUtka

1/29/23 11:01am

Oh, NOW you notice.

BYUtka

1/29/23 10:58am

A little bit of sarcasm maybe 🙂

Cheese Fries

1/29/23 11:00am

You can't counter a point about the Pac12 being weak by saying you won the Pac12

runnincoug

1/29/23 10:59am

1/3 of the conference is top 15. 1/2 is ranked. 1/2 is going to be ranked next preseason. Just because there

TFL

1/29/23 7:21pm

that's kind of the point everyone's making ... that the Pac12 is overrated.

runnincoug

1/29/23 9:45pm

I get it now. Yeah, so the computers, all 3 polls and multiple independent rating systems are all wrong and BYU fans

TFL

1/30/23 2:26pm

Put biased data in, you get biased data out. Of course the computer has them

BYUtka

1/30/23 2:34pm

it's interesting how difficult this concept seems to be to grasp.

runnincoug

1/30/23 2:40pm

LOL. So the data is biased? Nah...we all see the same things man. There's the SEC and everybody else

TFL

1/30/23 4:26pm

"Everybody else" beats out of Conference teams... except the PAC 12...

BYUtka

1/30/23 5:11pm

ND, Wisky, MSU, UNC, Florida, Texas — BYU, both MWC div winners. You don't know what you're talking about

TFL

1/30/23 5:18pm

Oh, they have one or two out of conference wins over the past few years? You are

BYUtka

1/30/23 5:33pm

I just listed 10 wins this year. 2019 they were 6-1 against BIG and SEC. That means the P2 was 1-6 against this terrible

TFL

1/30/23 9:56pm

Yea the two years without CFP team they could win

Bobmarleyjr

1/29/23 7:54pm

You knock BYU for not playing a P5 in 2020. LOL. Runnin’ Yewts ran from playing.

RossoNeri

1/29/23 11:09am

It wasn’t a knock. Illustration you can knit pick any schedule

Cheese Fries

1/29/23 12:14pm

Regarding #5 - Holmoe is showing he's gonna do the exact same thing. Gone are...

COACHdrn

1/29/23 10:51am

Reality is Utah continues to trend up. Your warcries used to be:

CallSign

1/29/23 11:09am

No, the PAC has trended down. Utah's apparent improvement is just the PAC

BYUtka

1/29/23 11:13am

That’s a stretch and getting a little silly

Cheese Fries

1/29/23 12:17pm

Not a stretch at all. Honest, unbiased take based on actual results and play.

BYUtka

1/29/23 12:18pm

How are they getting worse?

UC Ute

1/29/23 12:52pm

Past few years they have absolutely been bad. Worse than MWC or AAC. Maybe they

BYUtka

1/29/23 3:39pm

I will agree the Pac-12 is trending up for sure. But how could they not be? It’s been soooo bad.

RdF3

1/29/23 3:47pm

Utah is only “top 20” because you get to play patsy teams every week. And again, this isn’t about byu vs Utah.

RdF3

1/29/23 11:21am

BYU Did quite well w a PAC 12 heavy schedule last year not as far apart

Tmoney1969

1/29/23 11:27am

Good post

Cheese Fries

1/29/23 12:17pm

2021 was still a Covid year for the PAC, 2022 a different story

CallSign

1/29/23 2:09pm

Just the PAC but not B1G 10?

Bobmarleyjr

1/29/23 2:19pm

You think playing a sprinkling of P5 games and being successful 1x suggests

CallSign

1/29/23 2:22pm

Utah hasn’t beaten byu since 2019.

RdF3

1/29/23 2:31pm

Byu has only beat Utah once in 14 years

Cheese Fries

1/29/23 3:20pm

Only because Utah has canceled the game 5 times.

mulletino

1/29/23 8:39pm

I like the Utes on here it makes it a lively discussion

Bobmarleyjr

1/29/23 11:57am

I agree. Which I decided to start talking about Utah.

RdF3

1/29/23 12:03pm

Ok. So if you include BYU, Utah since joining the Pac is collectively 16-3

TFL

1/29/23 12:37pm

SDSU was very down this year. Again, Utah looking better due to weak competition

BYUtka

1/29/23 12:44pm

Who is weaker though? Utah’s dominated both conferences. Oregon State beat both MW

TFL

1/29/23 12:57pm

TBF Oregon had 2 special team meltdowns and hurt Nix.

Bobmarleyjr

1/29/23 1:04pm

RE: TBF Oregon had 2 special team meltdowns and hurt Nix.

TReid

1/29/23 10:37pm

If they weren't "P5" and benefitting from the bias, they wouldn't be top 20.

BYUtka

1/29/23 4:01pm

This is a great argument for Utah. Well done. But the OP is talking about the

1/29/23 1:07pm

But his logic compares P12 vs. MWC to show P12 is weak. But then just do Utah vs. P12 / BYU / MW or the whole west

TFL

1/29/23 3:48pm

Try to follow along here. We know Utah is better than G5 teams, because it’s won a G5 equivalent conference two years

RdF3

1/29/23 2:38pm

Lol. But Oregon State beat both MW champs. Oregon blew BYU out in Eugene. USC blew out ND who beat both

TFL

1/29/23 7:19pm

Yeah and in 2021 USU & Utah shared 3 common opponents. Usu went 3-0, Utah went 1-2 LOL.

RdF3

1/29/23 7:26pm

What you don’t realize.

UC Ute

1/30/23 10:41am

P10/12 is a G5 Conference with an annual path to the Playoffs.

Ripliancum

1/29/23 1:00pm

A G5 has made the playoffs more recently than the pac. Pac hasn’t been in 5 year

FieroCoug

1/29/23 1:41pm

There have been lots of positives and negatives about Utah and the PAC

ALUF 1990

1/29/23 1:24pm

Really good point, win championships any way possible

Cheese Fries

1/29/23 1:29pm

LOL. What has BYU done to warrant this attitude?

hereforlaughs

1/29/23 3:16pm

Nice long post I’m not going to waste my time reading. This has nothing to do with byu & everything to do with Utah’s

RdF3

1/29/23 3:21pm

I’ll shorten for you

hereforlaughs

1/29/23 3:32pm

There isn’t anyone in CFB overhyping byu. BYU has also beaten A LOT more non pac12 p5 teams than Utah has the last 5 yrs

RdF3

1/29/23 3:36pm

LOL, what a joke

I Bleed Red

1/29/23 3:54pm

That’s my whole point. When you look under the hood Utah is vastly overrated. They’re benefitting from a patsy Pac-12.

RdF3

1/29/23 4:40pm

That’s my whole point. They’re only overrated in your world.

I Bleed Red

1/29/23 6:48pm

Maybe so. But I think I displayed statistical evidence that the Pac-12 sucks and Utah hasn’t done anything outside of it

RdF3

1/29/23 8:01pm

The only evidence you displayed is that you're biased and blinded

I Bleed Red

1/29/23 9:06pm

Add BYU’s 2021 PAC 12 South title to this list. Had BYU been in the PAC 12, they

BlooCoog

1/29/23 5:39pm

Nah...you have to beat your best win twice to win. Not just at home. I like BYU but the trip to Eugene wasn't pretty.

TFL

1/29/23 7:25pm

You dispute that BYU wouldn’t have won the PAC 12 South had they been members

BlooCoog

1/29/23 10:51pm

Wrong, your assertion is demonstrably false!

I Bleed Red

1/30/23 9:31am

Good point. I think BYU fans like the P12 argument because they won on the field vs. Utah. Like to revisit...and

TFL

1/30/23 2:30pm

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BYUhomie263

1/30/23 9:05pm

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