UW and Oregon are great but they're not going to commit long term and they don't like the Big 12.

Jan 31, 2023
3:34:45pm

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So is that really going to be your top choice? Probably not. ASU and UofA aren't superior to Utah and CU.

ASU hasn't been to a Rose Bowl since 1997! That's as old as Utah's Final Four. They might have a larger market but they also come with baggage. And why take two Arizona's?

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ASU is upset according to Flugaur and Monty

runningryan Pretend Athletic Director

1/31/23 1:57pm

Why would they be upset? Because George is entertaining unequal distribution to Oregon and Washington?

YIsForBrigham

1/31/23 1:58pm

Or they've been led on by George that they are in a good situation and they're

CameronG

1/31/23 2:00pm

Welcome to the Big 12 ASU and U of A

CameronG

1/31/23 1:59pm

I think Big12 only takes 2 out of the 4 "four corner schools"

CougarCanuck76

1/31/23 2:00pm

Four corner nonsense is a media creation. It isn’t based in reporting

travelcoug

1/31/23 2:02pm

UU and CU are both arrogant. UU doesn't want to go to BYU's conference

Dangerous

1/31/23 2:00pm

My message to Utah and CU

runningryan

1/31/23 2:01pm

My Message

Cougar TD

1/31/23 2:09pm

RE: My Message

ZWOOKIEZyoutube

1/31/23 5:20pm

RE: My Message

BluesBrother

1/31/23 7:40pm

Mine:

Resurgens

1/31/23 8:04pm

Nah...Utah likes the association with the P10 academics. As a fan, I'd prefer the P12 right now because Utah has an

TFL

1/31/23 2:26pm

Utah has to prove they can beat a P5 program that's not in the PAC before talking about being top 3-4 in the Big 12.

slatecoug

1/31/23 3:03pm

Pac-12 champion Utah just got thumped by BIG 10 3rd place team Penn State.

Gentleman Stan

1/31/23 3:11pm

Lol. So Utah doesn't go to the Big 12 because they lost to Penn State and to Florida? So due to this ugly on the

TFL

1/31/23 3:37pm

No they don't go because no one wants them

YIsForBrigham

1/31/23 3:43pm

It's not based upon one single game. It's that they are not additive. Utah would dilute, not add.

slatecoug

1/31/23 4:04pm

There's that UU education shining through

AlternateShot

1/31/23 5:47pm

Let it be so, I hope Utah stays there forever. We both agree lol. And your joke

The_Cuss

1/31/23 5:05pm

What non-PAC games have the Yewts won lately? Their the top of a trash league.

CharlottesvilleCoug

1/31/23 6:51pm

Can Swaim confirm?

BYUheaven

1/31/23 2:00pm

Which is kind of ironic

byukarl

1/31/23 2:00pm

If everyone was happy, they would have signed a deal yesterday.

Art Director

1/31/23 2:01pm

Yes, but I think ASU was the hold up on Arizona

runningryan

1/31/23 2:02pm

It does seem Arizona wanted big 12 but were ruluctant to leave without ASU. So

johnnybyu

1/31/23 2:11pm

UU is stupid, but I don't think they're that stupid. I still think they end up..

Team Chaos

1/31/23 2:02pm

Probably so, but I hope they have to wait 5 years and have lots of uncertainty till it happens

runningryan

1/31/23 2:03pm

make it 10

CrashMcLarson

1/31/23 2:18pm

Why would the Big 12 take Utah when they already have that market and already

CameronG

1/31/23 2:03pm

They aren’t fist second third fourth fifth sixth and maybe seventh

travelcoug

1/31/23 2:08pm

Close but the order is

runningryan

1/31/23 2:13pm

My guess is Utah admin thinks BYU will wage the battle for them when needed.

panacablue

1/31/23 2:06pm

I really hope BYU doesn't wage that battle for them

CameronG

1/31/23 2:08pm

This better not occur.

Tmoney1969

1/31/23 2:13pm

I really hope the BYU admin takes to heart the recent story of Utah bragging

Corn Pop

1/31/23 2:14pm

Dr Crow is not one to piss off…

ChandlerAZCoug

1/31/23 3:28pm

Wouldn't that piss him off?

sah22

1/31/23 7:42pm

Getting a Sellout when they play BYU at Home. Will make him happy.

ChandlerAZCoug

1/31/23 11:03pm

RE: My guess is Utah admin thinks BYU will wage the battle for them when needed.

El Careeb

1/31/23 2:17pm

Utes don't need any help. They're a shoo in for the Big 12 if they want it.

TFL

1/31/23 2:27pm

What makes you so confident? They’ve been good the last 5 years but they’re

Polemic

1/31/23 2:53pm

Is it ignorance, myopia, or both?

slatecoug

1/31/23 3:08pm

Neither. It's the reality of CFB today and the goals of the Big 12 in the next go around. I get this sense from around

TFL

1/31/23 4:49pm

Thanks for the laugh, but once again, Utah is not additive. All Utah would do is dilute the per school payout.

slatecoug

1/31/23 11:02pm

What is it with Ute fans and these delusional views of national relevance?

Ursas Puma

1/31/23 3:23pm

Probably more of the opposite. BYU fans' approach to Utah is to constantly

TFL

1/31/23 5:03pm

Keep on begging...it's actually kind of fun to watch the logical pretzels you

AlternateShot

1/31/23 5:53pm

Okay, so you actually believe it all. Thanks for answering that question.

Ursas Puma

1/31/23 6:13pm

Your AD seems to think Utah is the biggest brand in the conference

machete

1/31/23 6:49pm

It’s a delusional take from extreme Ute fans that lurk on CB. Hopefully it’s not

The_Cuss

1/31/23 5:08pm

I'm going to go with "trolls"

AlternateShot

1/31/23 5:51pm

Doesn't line up with Yormarks remarks on further expansion candidates

machete

1/31/23 3:50pm

Good point. While I agree with TFL the Utes are a shoo in, I'm not sure anyone

kiyoshige

1/31/23 5:05pm

What exactly did he say? Didn't he say national recognition? Sorry, but outside Oregon and UW...no one else left offers

TFL

1/31/23 7:49pm

RE: What exactly did he say? Didn't he say national recognition? Sorry, but

machete

1/31/23 8:37pm

So defiantly no Utah

ExitStageLeft

1/31/23 8:54pm

Definitely not the shoo in that some here think

machete

1/31/23 9:02pm

So this wasn't his quote?

TFL

1/31/23 9:02pm

That quote is in no way contradictory to the other one

machete

1/31/23 9:12pm

BYU fans who think the Big 12 will pass up on Utah, just because...is a silly ideal to cling to

TFL

2/1/23 9:01pm

So, the opposite of what the big 12 commish is saying

Mitty

1/31/23 5:51pm

RE: Utes don't need any help. They're a shoo in for the Big 12 if they want it.

zonacougar

1/31/23 7:28pm

How unwise is Utah? They're so bad, they flipped a virgin to the dark side.

akbarishiwatsu

1/31/23 2:48pm

You realize you just compared the Utes to virgins …

BluesBrother

1/31/23 7:42pm

What is a money perch? Some kind of big fish at ASU?

Florwood

1/31/23 2:16pm

Utah's playing it right. They may as well wait out the P12. They can jump to B12 any time. BIG is out of the picture for

TFL

1/31/23 2:22pm

Jump to the Big 12 any time eh?

CougtheCreator

1/31/23 2:25pm

And there's the arrogance.

Corn Pop

1/31/23 2:27pm

This is what Utah fans tell themselves but it's not true. The pecking order is surely Oregon/Washington > ASU/Arizona

YIsForBrigham

1/31/23 2:28pm

UW and Oregon are great but they're not going to commit long term and they don't like the Big 12.

TFL

1/31/23 3:34pm

You're basing it all on on-field performance. Which adds bring in the most money

CougtheCreator

1/31/23 3:35pm

Not really. Fan attendance, TV ratings, recruiting, NFL, prestige, sustainability of success. Phx and Denver are greater

TFL

1/31/23 6:26pm

We will see. Oregon and Washington are not going to be let behind in some conference with Wyoming and Boise St

YIsForBrigham

1/31/23 3:44pm

There is a very good chance that OR never gets invited to the B10

Nat Gas Man

1/31/23 3:45pm

Wouldn't be surprised if they go independent rather than join big12 tbh

machete

1/31/23 3:56pm

That is really hard and the CFP would be worse

Nat Gas Man

1/31/23 4:02pm

Need more bottom feeder/train wreck types and Pac12 has alot of those

machete

1/31/23 3:54pm

I tend to think the pecking order for joining the B12 is Oregon/Washington ->

kos

1/31/23 3:53pm

Utes are the third guy in this video

travelcoug

1/31/23 2:33pm

That's gotta hurt!

AlternateShot

1/31/23 5:57pm

They waited...and they saw. Yesterday the PAC 10 or 12 showed that it can't

Doogal McCougar

1/31/23 2:48pm

I'll take Myopic Fans for $200 Alex

slatecoug

1/31/23 3:06pm

I’d vote them down purely on a financial basis. They bring nothing

Bluedomination

1/31/23 3:12pm

Also taking utah handicaps BYU, why not have one great utah team over two

CougtheCreator

1/31/23 3:20pm

This is the way.

The_Cuss

1/31/23 5:10pm

The ACC is your problem

runningryan

1/31/23 3:13pm

This is exactly correct. B12 would like AZ

BlueTooth

1/31/23 3:52pm

Yup, this is true and TFL has no answer for it. Self awareness is lacking.

The_Cuss

1/31/23 5:10pm

Umm...yeah...if the ACC was going to break the GOR it would've happened. When your entire theory relies on something

TFL

1/31/23 7:41pm

Let me help you out TFL

runningryan

1/31/23 10:02pm

I don't follow. So what ACC schools are going to add more than $100 million per year to the BIG

TFL

2/1/23 2:00am

What you are missing is ACC media revenues are relatively flat through 2035 while

runningryan

2/1/23 10:35am

But what's the threat? that's 10 years away

TFL

2/1/23 11:48am

How's the weather in Egypt this time of year?

machete

2/1/23 12:42pm

It's a super fun discussion. The heart of it is that

TFL

2/1/23 1:46pm

Respectfully, I wish you'd stop saying this - that Utah is the only realistic

kos

2/1/23 3:10pm

Utah doesn't provide the Pacific Time Zone and is in a market already occupied

CameronG

2/1/23 3:35pm

Exactly

The_Cuss

2/1/23 8:27pm

Yup, I agree.

The_Cuss

2/1/23 8:27pm

I appreciate the point but I think you're all going to be very surprised if the P10 falls apart

TFL

2/1/23 9:04pm

What does Utah bring that the Big 12 doesn't already have or doesn't have a better option with another school?

slatecoug

2/3/23 8:33am

Current 2-time P5 champ. Winningest and most consistently ranked P12/B12 team in CFP era. Highest

TFL

2/3/23 10:50am

You just listed all on-field accomplishments

CameronG

2/3/23 12:20pm

Nope. Every round is different. The moves for large markets and high profile schools are ahead of contract

TFL

2/3/23 12:30pm

Yeah...nobody else has any fans. Only the yewts. They are the reason anyone at

AlternateShot

2/3/23 12:53pm

This is the biggest mistake BYU fans make. In the west, it's not about the fanbase

TFL

2/3/23 1:18pm

You clearly don't pay any attention to the viewership numbers when Utah is the biggest name in the matchup.

slatecoug

2/3/23 2:59pm

Nah...BYU fans stuck into these awkward paradigms about fanbase and viewership

TFL

2/3/23 3:29pm

Wasting your breath. He's incapable of understanding that concept.

AlternateShot

2/3/23 12:51pm

Its a waste of time... TFL thinks PAC12 wins > media market $. #Utebusinesslogic

The_Cuss

2/3/23 2:38pm

According to your logic, Boise St. should have been invited. Why weren't they?

slatecoug

2/3/23 3:00pm

And why would a bad USC and UCLA join the B1G? Why is SDSU mentioned as well?

The_Cuss

2/3/23 3:05pm

A bad USC?

slatecoug

2/6/23 1:13am

Any team taken from P10 moves needle compared to P10 ‘cause they are down a team

ZWOOKIEZyoutube

2/1/23 3:17pm

Here's the crux...you think expansion is about increasing competitiveness.

AlternateShot

2/1/23 3:44pm

Is seriously doubt OSU and WSU would be invited to the B12

Nat Gas Man

2/1/23 3:56pm

Getting Washington, Oregon, ASU, and Zona

runningryan

2/1/23 4:39pm

Nailed it.

The_Cuss

2/1/23 8:27pm

If Utah losing to UF, Penn State and tOSU is a deal killer...lol...lol...wait until you see what the other Pac-12

TFL

2/1/23 9:33pm

If ASU and Arizona jumped, UU and CU would too. There is no way they put

darkcoug

1/31/23 2:26pm

Have to wonder what UO and UW do if ASU and Zona jump. Go indy?

Corn Pop

1/31/23 2:29pm

That would be funny to watch. They would probably beg the big 12 for inclusion

johnnybyu

1/31/23 2:32pm

They only get in by signing the GOR. If faced with that or the indy wilderness,

Corn Pop

1/31/23 2:44pm

They may, they will have very little power is UofA or ASU jumpt first

johnnybyu

1/31/23 3:07pm

And if the only way UW and Oregon can come is to bring their little sisters,

AlternateShot

1/31/23 6:07pm

They'd join the Big12

YIsForBrigham

1/31/23 2:45pm

Hopefully ASU and UoA burn their house down and we get to see what happens.

Dryfire

1/31/23 8:55pm

That assumes there is spot for those teams...

Baylorbears11

1/31/23 2:38pm

I completely agree with you.

kos

1/31/23 3:55pm

Agreed. Good take. The 4 schools must think that Oregon and UW jumping them toward the Big 12

TFL

1/31/23 7:46pm

Oregon and Washington would be accretive to the Big 12 and would likely increase the TV value slightly

runningryan

1/31/23 10:14pm

I would also add, why would you dilute your payout by adding SMU to get into Texas when you can join the Big 12 and get

runningryan

1/31/23 10:17pm

Good question. Are you talking Oregon and UW?

TFL

2/1/23 11:10pm

Where would they jump to?

CougarCanuck76

1/31/23 2:46pm

Why would you add CU and UofU if Oregon and UW are still out there?

slatecoug

1/31/23 3:10pm

If Washington and Oregon stay in PAC 10 they will want more money. This will make some schools very unhappy...especially

coot20

1/31/23 2:33pm

All I want for Christmas is for this to be true

YOHONOMOTO

1/31/23 2:33pm

Same, now that I live in PHX

Sacto Cougar

1/31/23 5:53pm

Just curious about all these schools wanting to come to the Big 12? Maybe the

Bullrider

1/31/23 2:51pm

delusional and arrogant…deadly combination

icecougar

1/31/23 3:00pm

Ideal scenario, leave the pukes in the wilting P8

jtm0001

1/31/23 3:18pm

Michael Crow is not the guy to upset in the PAC. He holds a lot of power now

Nat Gas Man

1/31/23 3:26pm

It's hard for me to believe that the leaders of these unis are that stupid

ocmyhome

1/31/23 3:31pm

Kliavkoff has much to clean up after the mess Scott left in the PAC12. Tough job

Forzaitalia

1/31/23 3:35pm

Sorry bro but this take is nothing but inflammatory guesses…

rmarkerm

1/31/23 4:56pm

People expressing opinions and predictions on a message board? I would never have imagined!

runningryan

2/1/23 12:00am

And yes, University Presidents can be extremely naive and clueless.

runningryan

2/1/23 12:09am

Apparently more than a little upset. The tier 1 games were going to be sold to

Nat Gas Man

1/31/23 7:56pm

I think Oregon, Washington, ASU, and Arizona would all be accretive to the Big 12

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