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May 25, 2023
11:44:31am

I'mBatman All-American

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Jake couldn’t take a hit and is a poor athlete. That Doman offense and it’s sleek OL philosophy didn’t help though.

Not sure what happened with Mangum but his arm strength wasn’t good the last year or two. The 2017 offensive lacked enough play makers.

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Originally posted on May 25, 2023 at 11:44:31am

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I will trust ARod. I watched Jaren Hall in high school and would not have

5/25/23 6:49am

We all thought Tanner Mangum would be a star....then reality hit.

WJCougar

5/25/23 6:54am

And then Ben Olsen. Highly rated

CLCougar

5/25/23 7:02am

Ben might have been great at BYU but he didn't give it a chance...

WJCougar

5/25/23 7:06am

No, not even a good QB at UCLA

5/25/23 12:06pm

Tanner and Jake would have both been NFL QB’s had Anae stayed

c_bass14

5/25/23 7:20am

Tanner? Yeah nope

5/25/23 7:22am

Tanner was a Freshman All-American but he was fortunate to have one of our most

Lord Jim

5/25/23 7:25am

The WRs his Frosh year were quite mediocre. The most talented one was Juergens,

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 8:16am

Mediocre? No they weren't

Lord Jim

5/25/23 10:54am

I wish Fesi had been here to develop Matthews — cuz his ball skillz stunk.

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 11:07am

As much as I like Tanner, this is also silly. Mathews was great. Juergens was

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 11:45am

Couldn't disagree more. Matthews had poor WR skills even by HS standards. Dude

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 11:57am

Do you even watch? Off the top of my head against USU in 15 and Cal in 14 I

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 12:01pm

Ha! He was TERRIBLE at high-pointing an overhead pass. On a sideline route

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 12:12pm

He is the main reason the "jump-ball" narrative exists. I keep thinking you will

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 12:22pm

Yeah. He was 6’6 & jumped outa the gym.

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 12:33pm

He rarely got the chance to high-point on a fly route. A fly route is not

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 12:38pm

Every ball in coverage has an optimum

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 12:53pm

A go route the optimum placement is over outside shoulder on the go. No high

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 1:41pm

For MM nothing over-the-shoulder was optimum. He sucked fielding

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 1:47pm

He did not get a lot of them, but I just pointed out at least a few where he did

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 4:16pm

What I get from you, sir

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 4:39pm

So the fact that he almost had 1000 yards as a Junior and led the team in

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 5:21pm

Kid was a great athlete & a very big target. We had few WR options

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 5:29pm

He was, in FACT, a GOOD receiver. We missed him desperately in 2016 (Taysom

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 5:48pm

He was a very good receiving OPTION, yes. And was very much missed, yes.

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 5:57pm

It looks like Taysom, Tanner, and Christian Stewart couldn't even convince you

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 6:28pm

Each of them liked that OPTION so much they would say he was a GOOD receiver

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 6:31pm

Unfortunately, at 6'6, with a Sub 11 100 — & the NFL still said otherwise.

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 6:47pm

His 2000 receiving yards say he was good. As do his 3 QBs that loved throwing to

SoBlueitHurts

5/26/23 2:31pm

Wasn’t he on the Dolphins roster for a season? He literally was an NFL WR

Lord Jim

5/25/23 12:59pm

This is one of the biggest lies repeated about TM's freshman year.

Ham

5/25/23 9:32am

There were a few, but 3,300 yds is a LOT of jump balls

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 11:46am

WOW! 3,300 yards of jump balls? He did have a talented group of receivers, but

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 11:39am

The funny thing is the accusation of jump-balls was MUCH more to do w Matthew's

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 11:44am

Manziel won a Heisman by just tossing the ball up to his elite receivers

BYU-Laie

5/25/23 2:26pm

I don't know about getting into the NFL, but I do think their careers at BYU

ldssdl

5/25/23 8:23am

I don't think either of them would have made it, regardless of OC. Heaps had the jitters...not sure what you can do

5/25/23 8:34am

Tanner's decline wasn't all the offense. Physical tools declined a lot

stansburycoug

5/25/23 9:19am

I thought Tanner's problems had more to do with his

jlhazlewood

5/25/23 9:47am

I think all 3: coaching, injury, confidence

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 11:47am

Didn't Heaps technically reach the NFL?

5/25/23 11:26am

Nah

I'mBatman

5/25/23 11:44am

Also injuries and the mental side of a player are significant. Mangum admitted

7FootRussian

5/25/23 3:24pm

I really like Burton. He's got drive and a great coach in A-rod.

5/25/23 9:21am

While a brief exposure, Burton looked better than I expected in spring scrimmage

Forzaitalia

5/25/23 9:28am

This is true. He showed well.

5/25/23 11:30am

I'm having a hard time feeling upset with this one. BYU will attract top QB's:

cougarnw

5/25/23 10:42am

I was kinda underwhelmed by Heaps tape

machete

5/25/23 12:37pm

IIRC Heaps was okay as a freshman. He was a 7-on-7 superstar. Far different when

Forzaitalia

5/25/23 6:39pm

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