The funny thing is the accusation of jump-balls was MUCH more to do w Matthew's

May 25, 2023
11:44:35am

SinkingQuffa Truly Addicted User

limitations as a WR than it was Mangum's limitations as a QB.

Had Matthews had as good a WR in him as he did an athlete in him — Mangum's numbers woulda been significantly better than they were. And our record woulda been better too.

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I will trust ARod. I watched Jaren Hall in high school and would not have

ColdFusion1989

5/25/23 6:49am

We all thought Tanner Mangum would be a star....then reality hit.

WJCougar

5/25/23 6:54am

And then Ben Olsen. Highly rated

CLCougar

5/25/23 7:02am

Ben might have been great at BYU but he didn't give it a chance...

WJCougar

5/25/23 7:06am

No, not even a good QB at UCLA

akbarishiwatsu

5/25/23 12:06pm

Tanner and Jake would have both been NFL QB’s had Anae stayed

c_bass14

5/25/23 7:20am

Tanner? Yeah nope

Turnpike Lane

5/25/23 7:22am

Tanner was a Freshman All-American but he was fortunate to have one of our most

Lord Jim

5/25/23 7:25am

The WRs his Frosh year were quite mediocre. The most talented one was Juergens,

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 8:16am

Mediocre? No they weren't

Lord Jim

5/25/23 10:54am

I wish Fesi had been here to develop Matthews — cuz his ball skillz stunk.

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 11:07am

As much as I like Tanner, this is also silly. Mathews was great. Juergens was

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 11:45am

Couldn't disagree more. Matthews had poor WR skills even by HS standards. Dude

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 11:57am

Do you even watch? Off the top of my head against USU in 15 and Cal in 14 I

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 12:01pm

Ha! He was TERRIBLE at high-pointing an overhead pass. On a sideline route

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 12:12pm

He is the main reason the "jump-ball" narrative exists. I keep thinking you will

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 12:22pm

Yeah. He was 6’6 & jumped outa the gym.

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 12:33pm

He rarely got the chance to high-point on a fly route. A fly route is not

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 12:38pm

Every ball in coverage has an optimum

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 12:53pm

A go route the optimum placement is over outside shoulder on the go. No high

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 1:41pm

For MM nothing over-the-shoulder was optimum. He sucked fielding

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 1:47pm

He did not get a lot of them, but I just pointed out at least a few where he did

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 4:16pm

What I get from you, sir

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 4:39pm

So the fact that he almost had 1000 yards as a Junior and led the team in

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 5:21pm

Kid was a great athlete & a very big target. We had few WR options

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 5:29pm

He was, in FACT, a GOOD receiver. We missed him desperately in 2016 (Taysom

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 5:48pm

He was a very good receiving OPTION, yes. And was very much missed, yes.

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 5:57pm

It looks like Taysom, Tanner, and Christian Stewart couldn't even convince you

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 6:28pm

Each of them liked that OPTION so much they would say he was a GOOD receiver

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 6:31pm

Unfortunately, at 6'6, with a Sub 11 100 — & the NFL still said otherwise.

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 6:47pm

His 2000 receiving yards say he was good. As do his 3 QBs that loved throwing to

SoBlueitHurts

5/26/23 2:31pm

Wasn’t he on the Dolphins roster for a season? He literally was an NFL WR

Lord Jim

5/25/23 12:59pm

This is one of the biggest lies repeated about TM's freshman year.

Ham

5/25/23 9:32am

There were a few, but 3,300 yds is a LOT of jump balls

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 11:46am

WOW! 3,300 yards of jump balls? He did have a talented group of receivers, but

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 11:39am

The funny thing is the accusation of jump-balls was MUCH more to do w Matthew's

SinkingQuffa

5/25/23 11:44am

Manziel won a Heisman by just tossing the ball up to his elite receivers

BYU-Laie

5/25/23 2:26pm

I don't know about getting into the NFL, but I do think their careers at BYU

ldssdl

5/25/23 8:23am

I don't think either of them would have made it, regardless of OC. Heaps had the jitters...not sure what you can do

TheLoneCougar

5/25/23 8:34am

Tanner's decline wasn't all the offense. Physical tools declined a lot

stansburycoug

5/25/23 9:19am

I thought Tanner's problems had more to do with his

jlhazlewood

5/25/23 9:47am

I think all 3: coaching, injury, confidence

SoBlueitHurts

5/25/23 11:47am

Didn't Heaps technically reach the NFL?

CougarBreath

5/25/23 11:26am

Nah

I'mBatman

5/25/23 11:44am

Also injuries and the mental side of a player are significant. Mangum admitted

7FootRussian

5/25/23 3:24pm

I really like Burton. He's got drive and a great coach in A-rod.

Mostlyaccurate

5/25/23 9:21am

While a brief exposure, Burton looked better than I expected in spring scrimmage

Forzaitalia

5/25/23 9:28am

This is true. He showed well.

ColdFusion1989

5/25/23 11:30am

I'm having a hard time feeling upset with this one. BYU will attract top QB's:

cougarnw

5/25/23 10:42am

I was kinda underwhelmed by Heaps tape

machete

5/25/23 12:37pm

IIRC Heaps was okay as a freshman. He was a 7-on-7 superstar. Far different when

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