Title IX is not a barrier. If it is proven that there is a demand for a sport, men or women, it can be done.

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Nov 19, 2023
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Brisket

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Let's Talk Men's Soccer

loyalroyalcoug

Nov 19, 1:27pm

What can we do to push for D1? I’m convinced and have boys who will hopefully

Cougsnstuffs

Nov 19, 1:34pm

Show up!

loyalroyalcoug

Nov 19, 1:56pm

There's really one thing in the way for men's soccer

teancum

Nov 20, 7:12am

That part of title 9 stinks. It’s sad some men’s sports are forced to be club

ColonelMustard

Nov 19, 1:40pm

We should drop tennis and swimming and replace w/mens soccer.

Thrill

Nov 20, 12:58am

RE: We should drop tennis and swimming and replace w/mens soccer.

Iron Coug

Nov 20, 11:56am

Would love to see it, but the economics just don't work at the end of the day.

shoganai

Nov 19, 1:42pm

That would be some pretty fancy accounting to show baseball as revenue neutral.

Bluforever

Nov 19, 1:47pm

It's probably not really neutral at a lot of schools, but it's not a money pit

shoganai

Nov 19, 1:50pm

It’s a pit. Ticket sales don’t even cover coaches comp. Perhaps not as much

Bluforever

Nov 19, 2:07pm

Across the NCAA, baseball is the fourth-highest revenue generating sport behind

shoganai

Nov 19, 2:15pm

Women's lacrosse scholarships (12) would balance out the men's soccer scholarships (9.9) but what league could they

ManicBlue

Nov 19, 2:05pm

I'd assume BYU's most convenient home would be the WCC. But, again, the real

shoganai

Nov 19, 2:07pm

Not a significant increase in revenue? Pretty sure our TV revenue increase is set to be pretty significant.

ManicBlue

Nov 19, 2:10pm

The Big 12 revenue increase has nothing to do with men's soccer. We're getting

shoganai

Nov 19, 2:12pm

In that case, let's do away with all non-revenue producing sports.

ManicBlue

Nov 19, 3:35pm

I think most schools want to sponsor a baseline of certain sports. But men's

shoganai

Nov 19, 3:58pm

Should be IMO.

ManicBlue

Nov 19, 11:27pm

RE: Women's lacrosse scholarships (12) would balance out the men's soccer

loyalroyalcoug

Nov 19, 2:08pm

Pac 12? You didn't hear? Pac 12 is toast.

ManicBlue

Nov 19, 2:10pm

RE: Pac 12? You didn't hear? Pac 12 is toast.

loyalroyalcoug

Nov 19, 2:30pm

Great but ONE school does not make a conference for BYU to join.

ManicBlue

Nov 19, 3:35pm

Equal scholarships is a myth. You can add men's soccer and not have to worry about adding a women's sport.

Brisket

Nov 19, 3:12pm

I'm not a sports attorney, but I don't believe the bar to meet those

shoganai

Nov 19, 4:01pm

As someone who has worked in 2 P4 athletic departments, I can say that they are.

Brisket

Nov 19, 4:52pm

Lots of sports do partial men's scholarships, or offer fewer per team.

Benfica1

Nov 19, 4:02pm

They do, but that has everything to do with cost considerations and nothing to do with title IX.

Brisket

Nov 19, 4:53pm

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TheAirForceCoug

Nov 19, 10:16pm

This would be an instant revenue sport for BYU

Hawk Talons

Nov 19, 1:49pm

Near zero chance it would generate positive net revenue.

shoganai

Nov 19, 1:51pm

Unless you cut a sport like Swimming.

Hawk Talons

Nov 19, 1:54pm

Even as a stand-alone men's soccer isn't going to make positive revenue.

shoganai

Nov 19, 1:57pm

There are 205 D1 men's soccer programs including 50 from FBS schools. I wouldn't describe that has being "few".

Brisket

Nov 19, 3:26pm

I would definitely describe 50 programs out of 130+ schools as being few.

shoganai

Nov 19, 3:57pm

Considering it is a sport that lags in popularity compared to others and already has a clear path to the professional

Brisket

Nov 19, 4:55pm

RE: Near zero chance it would generate positive net revenue.

loyalroyalcoug

Nov 19, 1:58pm

Yes, it would lose less money than some others do.

shoganai

Nov 19, 1:59pm

And it would drive women's soccer even further into the red.

wilsdad

Nov 19, 2:30pm

It would not require that another women's sport be added.

Brisket

Nov 19, 3:13pm

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teancum

Nov 20, 1:48pm

I had season tickets with my 3 boys. The product was/is great. One of my son's

Benfica1

Nov 19, 1:52pm

I wish every sport people liked could be an official sport at BYU but that's

Schultz is back

Nov 19, 2:09pm

My son is considering trying out if he gets accepted to byu. Hoping he tries. Not sure of the process

JamieTartt

Nov 19, 2:33pm

RE: My son is considering trying out if he gets accepted to byu. Hoping he

loyalroyalcoug

Nov 19, 2:40pm

Title IX is not a barrier. If it is proven that there is a demand for a sport, men or women, it can be done.

Brisket

Nov 19, 3:10pm

Title IX is THE barrier. Such a disaster.

Mitty

Nov 19, 5:39pm

How so? Please provide details and documentation.

Brisket

Nov 19, 5:52pm

Don't have access to the minutes of the conversa

menssoccermissionary

Nov 19, 6:04pm

Could very well be a conservative legal interpretation,

menssoccermissionary

Nov 19, 6:37pm

Unfortunately Title IX is way more complicated than just equal number of

Iron Coug

Nov 20, 11:55am

You talk about being in p4 sports, but give no T9 details. Say something if you

Benfica1

Nov 20, 8:27am

This is a pretty easy thing to look up, but sure, I'll indulge you.

Brisket

Nov 20, 11:52am

Reading the T9 text doesn't seem to jive w/your breakdown. I like your

Benfica1

Nov 20, 12:18pm

Title IX text was purposely written to allow flexibility and to some extent is still interpreted as such.

Brisket

Nov 20, 12:42pm

When you consider the Church's broader goals for BYU Athletics, I'm amazed that

blue13

Nov 19, 4:16pm

A few things:

Iron Coug

Nov 19, 4:56pm

Regarding revenue generation

menssoccermissionary

Nov 19, 5:12pm

It's a disgusting travesty the men's team doesn't get more support from the AD.

Mitty

Nov 19, 5:38pm

Ditch men’s tennis. And maybe swimming, too.

Iman23

Nov 19, 6:52pm

If we add another men's sport I'd personally prefer lacrosse first

CrashMcLarson

Nov 19, 8:29pm

What are the chances a BYU player gets recruited to go pro?

Dr MoBYU

Nov 19, 8:39pm

I know a 17yo guy whose goal is pro. He is in developmental league now. Want him to go to BYU

Dr MoBYU

Nov 19, 8:41pm

Men’s Lacrosse is in a similar spot. We’ve been dominant for years with no

TheAirForceCoug

Nov 19, 10:16pm

RE: Men’s Lacrosse is in a similar spot. We’ve been dominant for

loyalroyalcoug

Nov 20, 3:52pm

It’s crazy! Westminster is even D2 now…

TheAirForceCoug

Nov 21, 3:10am

The saddest part about lacrosse is that the primary sponsor for the Utes program

Iron Coug

Nov 21, 4:43pm

Just think of the possibilities for Men’s Soccer with our international appeal.

pittsburghcoug

Nov 20, 11:14pm

REMINDER: BYU used to have a D1 soccer team. There was some issue w/the coach

Benfica1

Nov 21, 8:53am

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