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Oct 1, 2024
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The Dark Knight
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My numbers are solely from the OP, so 2nd half only.
I think you supported my point: we are relatively balanced on 2nd down.
Your point on 2nd an 10 is a different one, and I think it introduces different questions.
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OK here's every BYU play of the 2nd half. When did BYU get "too conservative"?
The Y's Insider
Oct 1, 11:35am
Around 1:50 left in the 4th quarter and it was the right decision.
Still Questing
Oct 1, 11:38am
It baffles me that there are a select few on here still trying to argue that
MaximusMeridius
Oct 1, 11:39am
Sitake is right. I never felt vs Baylor that BYU was not aggressive enough.
Forzaitalia
Oct 1, 12:05pm
I don’t think any of them are trolling. They really think they know. Most
Polecat
Oct 1, 12:15pm
See my specific examples below under "Here's when:"
Threw and Through
Oct 1, 5:33pm
Whenever any team allows a come back the auto response from casual fans is
YOHONOMOTO
Oct 1, 2:16pm
Right - if you dont understand football at all, it makes sense to think that
MaximusMeridius
Oct 1, 5:13pm
Please just stop. AROD's style of offense is to control possessions. If you have
rha1211
Oct 1, 5:03pm
They aren't just disagreeing with me
MaximusMeridius
Oct 1, 5:17pm
Ok if you want to go down this road. Let's start at the beginning. What exactly
rha1211
Oct 1, 5:20pm
" Part of that strategy is to get more conservative as you gain leads."
MaximusMeridius
Oct 1, 5:27pm
I dont care what coaches say in an interview. I'm not sure what motivations
rha1211
Oct 1, 6:07pm
Also, every time we lost a game. It would go something like this. One or
rha1211
Oct 1, 6:35pm
" Part of that strategy is to get more conservative as you gain leads." The fact
rha1211
Oct 1, 6:38pm
both o y'all should look at my post and give me your honest opinion what you thi
realisticCoug42
Oct 1, 7:53pm
I think that's a fair take. My main issue
rha1211
Oct 1, 8:07pm
I seem to recall a couple run plays on 3rd and 7 or more.
RoyalTooth15
Oct 1, 11:41am
...unless it is a draw play
The Dark Knight
Oct 1, 11:43am
There was one.
The Y's Insider
Oct 1, 11:45am
And that was right before the missed FG & run game wasn't having success anyway
MarylandFan
Oct 1, 2:20pm
One was on 3rd and 20+? Yes, BYU conceded that drive, and it was the right thing to do.
kccougar
Oct 1, 11:48am
There was another right before Ferrin missed the FG.
StantonMac
Oct 1, 12:58pm
Yeah, I think people imagine things that don't truly happen
Belboz
Oct 1, 1:54pm
Not conservative to me, certainly the run game struggled with some new personnel
MrSandman
Oct 1, 11:41am
For the "ARod always runs on 2nd Down" crowd: 4 runs, 5 passes on 2nd Down
The Dark Knight
Oct 1, 11:46am
Confirmation bias is real
NYCougz
Oct 1, 11:50am
I would like to see our percentage over several seasons specifically on 2nd & 10
RoyalTooth15
Oct 1, 11:54am
...and I would like a sandwich. Make it happen! 😉
The Dark Knight
Oct 1, 11:56am
Ok, from my quick addition skills
RoyalTooth15
Oct 2, 11:30am
I'm not sure where you got your numbers from...
seco03
Oct 1, 12:15pm
More important than making the defense guess between run or pass is to
byusage
Oct 1, 12:26pm
I'm not making any argument with lack of execution or style of play, just
seco03
Oct 1, 12:30pm
My numbers are solely from the OP, so 2nd half only.
The Dark Knight
Oct 1, 12:53pm
Now tell me how many people in the box for each 2nd down
StantonMac
Oct 1, 2:22pm
All done with a 3rd string center and freshmen running backs that are less experienced blockers.
kccougar
Oct 1, 11:50am
3 of 5 OL starters out for at least part of the game
NYC and Japan
Oct 1, 12:44pm
"Had a hole, not enough speed..." He hits the hole faster than any of our other
Adwight
Oct 1, 11:52am
Regardless, he doesn't have elite P4 RB speed. There was room to run.
The Y's Insider
Oct 1, 11:57am
Thanks for this. The histrionics on here can be really loud sometimes.
PJMort
Oct 1, 11:57am
And the whole argument - to me - comes down to 1 play. 3rd and 6 and we ran
Adwight
Oct 1, 12:08pm
“Never trust a kicker.” Dude made a 54 yarder earlier in the game, right?
Polecat
Oct 1, 12:18pm
OK, so your entire complaint rests on 1 play? Man, you're a harsh critic.
The Y's Insider
Oct 1, 12:21pm
Never trust ANYONE that says you can judge a game of 100+ plays by 1 play
NYC and Japan
Oct 1, 12:46pm
Worst excuse in football. Most games are decided by 1 or 2 plays. Flame away
Adwight
Oct 1, 12:53pm
No game is decided by 1 or 2 plays. Every play counts. Every play impacts the
NYC and Japan
Oct 1, 1:12pm
In order for those 1-2 plays to make a difference, the team has to have done
Polecat
Oct 1, 1:27pm
Are you a mind-reader? That is some impressive psychological analysis
The Dark Knight
Oct 1, 12:56pm
Nah, it was the right call. If the field goal stands, they are up by 16
Southpawn
Oct 1, 2:25pm
A lot of crickets from the constant vague surface level complainers who think
Polecat
Oct 1, 12:10pm
Not so. Just keep on reading. The criticism is valid. Read the response
Threw and Through
Oct 1, 5:32pm
You’re certainly free to dislike the calls and disagree with them. However I
Polecat
Oct 2, 8:46am
INT in the 4th was a real bummer. How can we learn to gain 2 yards on 3rd down?
MajorZeus
Oct 1, 2:03pm
RE: INT in the 4th was a real bummer. How can we learn to gain 2 yards on 3rd
The Y's Insider
Oct 1, 2:11pm
For me it is the bigger picture and doesn't mean we were aggressive vs not
MajorZeus
Oct 1, 2:17pm
I don't know if you have noticed that BYU has done pretty dang good scoring
byusage
Oct 1, 4:56pm
That is a bright spot
Helm Hammerhand
Oct 1, 5:27pm
You are picking and choosing different scenarios to fit narrative. I’m specific
MajorZeus
Oct 1, 5:27pm
I didn’t like the fact the we only scored 3 points in the second half. I don’t
Helm Hammerhand
Oct 1, 3:39pm
Contrary to popular opinion, they never got too conservative.
NotoriousBUD
Oct 1, 3:53pm
First possession of the 4th quarter. Should’ve been by then running game was
Cooouuugs
Oct 1, 4:12pm
You put in some work!
Tuskaloosa Cougar
Oct 1, 5:08pm
Here's when: on the four separate occasions when we threw incomplete
Threw and Through
Oct 1, 5:26pm
Those running plays were getting us 5 yards a pop in the first half
MaximusMeridius
Oct 1, 5:38pm
Calling a run on 2nd/3rd down and long is just dumb. It takes a bad situation
25mphman
Oct 1, 6:09pm
It sounds like your criticism is more of ARod’s predictability, not conservatism
byuinva
Oct 1, 6:09pm
I would argue that consistently running up the middle on 2nd/3rd and long is
25mphman
Oct 1, 6:18pm
Is there ever a time where it’s ok to be predictable and/or conservative? I ask
Polecat
Oct 2, 10:06am
Sorry, "lots of coaches do it" is not a persuasive argument. Especially when the
25mphman
Oct 2, 1:20pm
I do agree that the running game in general and lack of reliability when it’s
Polecat
Oct 2, 8:12am
I love the "predictable" argument.
StantonMac
Oct 2, 10:33am
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