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Nov 13, 2024
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If it was metal that could have been lethal. That there would change how I would look at the punishment phase.
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Regarding the 18 year old culprit of water bottle. When situations involving
MajorZeus
11/13/24 6:47am
If he has no criminal past, he will get a plea in abeyance
BYULAWGUY
11/13/24 6:52am
And that’s how it should be in my opinion.
davidmj10
11/13/24 9:45am
Maybe he wasn't trying to hit someone, but he also had a wide open endzone right
OKchief
11/13/24 10:46am
RE: Maybe he wasn't trying to hit someone, but he also had a wide open endzone
davidmj10
11/13/24 11:17am
Easy for you to say...YOU are not the victim who was knocked unconscious and
sfeuz
11/13/24 1:40pm
And as community service make him wear BYU gear for a year.
Bin01015
11/13/24 10:16am
These are fair takes but I wonder how the victim feels. Her viewpoint …
BluesBrother
11/13/24 6:53am
Her viewpoint is the MOST important
Your Royal Blueness
11/13/24 7:31am
Do you give every 18yo Ute fan license to assault BYU fans if you let this kid
CougarDanger
11/13/24 10:13am
When assault charges occur, the jury is faced with the word "Could".
goseabass
11/13/24 10:50am
Yeah. I’d hate to see no punishment for someone throwing a dangerous object
CasualFan
11/13/24 6:57am
Idk, man. I'm aware of thousands of projectiles launched by fans onto CFB fields
RoboKayne
11/13/24 9:00am
Tossing a plastic bottle onto the field is one thing. Throwing a metal bottle...
COACHdrn
11/13/24 9:10am
Was it metal?
GangstaLean
11/13/24 9:25am
Yeah, metal seems different to me for whatever reason. Also, probably how full
RoboKayne
11/13/24 9:46am
If it was metal that could have been lethal. That there would change how I would look at the punishment phase.
Knight-who-says-ni
11/13/24 9:59am
Was it metal? I thought it was plastic, but it still held water and that made it very dangerous. Came in like a missile.
CalGTR
11/13/24 10:07am
If it was metal my opinion changes,but please provide a source rather than rumor
bythenumbers
11/13/24 10:14am
Sounds like Conor Pay said it was metal on a podcast.
ChiCityCoug
11/13/24 10:15am
Although in the reports I’m seeing now, it says disposable bottle.
ChiCityCoug
11/13/24 10:19am
Looking for something more definitive. Pay might've got that from Cougarboard.
bythenumbers
11/13/24 10:20am
Totally agree. It looked clear/plastic to me in the video. But it did come in
ChiCityCoug
11/13/24 10:28am
That’s what it looked like. Also appeared to be open bc h2o spilled out before..
Frieda's Boss
11/13/24 11:26am
Link to it being metal? That's crazy if true.
Bluedarts
11/13/24 10:16am
It wasn't metal you can see in the video it is a disposable water bottle.
ochobeeguy
11/14/24 9:39am
He didn't throw onto the field. He yelled "F-BYU" and threw the bottle at BYU
Doogal McCougar
11/13/24 1:40pm
This is assault. Throw the book at him. Time to stop shielding perpetrators from
astroman
11/13/24 6:59am
I wish there was a middle line that didn’t destroy his future for acting stupid.
SBB
11/13/24 7:04am
It's a misdemeanor, not a death sentence
CougarDanger
11/13/24 10:28am
Okay good- I don’t know how this works. Reading CB and throw the bookco
SBB
11/13/24 11:07am
Is it even assault? Idk the law on this. If he wasn't aiming for her, might it
RoboKayne
11/13/24 7:07am
In Utah, a person commits an assault if he "commits an act, with unlawful force
CougarDanger
11/13/24 9:29am
He's a kid
Belboz
11/13/24 7:31am
18 years old is a kid?
DazeofBlue
11/13/24 8:06am
Because it’s a number. From a brain development standpoint the frontal cortex
Nakedbootleg
11/13/24 8:16am
Yes, from a legal standpoint, it makes him an adult.
CougarDanger
11/13/24 9:30am
Angrily throwing a projectile towards people and causing serious injury is way
Doogal McCougar
11/13/24 2:10pm
Yes
fattycoug
11/13/24 8:24am
All 5 of my kids, 8-14, all know that was very dangerous and extremely wrong
viper
11/13/24 9:12am
Of course they do. So does this 18 yr old.
Eddie
11/13/24 9:24am
They would not make this bad of a choice no. Unless they really go down hill,
viper
11/13/24 9:34am
I’m not saying they would make THIS choice.
Eddie
11/13/24 9:53am
Yeah, he's an 18 year-old kid. He can learn a lesson without ruining his life.
Belboz
11/13/24 9:36am
Yep and those kids are old enough to make life decisions on missions, school,
bornbyu93
11/13/24 9:26am
He is, but there were many bottle throwers, and society benefits when the one
Abe Froman
11/13/24 9:30am
Yeah but is there a difference between throwing it onto the field to make a
bornbyu93
11/13/24 9:32am
He threw it into a crowd of women from BYU. If he had thrown it onto an empty
Abe Froman
11/13/24 9:43am
I think that is what he is saying. I think you two agree
yahtzee
11/13/24 11:19am
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Adwight
11/13/24 7:39am
Or water bottle.
MightyFreakingCougar
11/13/24 7:48am
Humans shouldn’t hurt each other over a football game. Quit treating 18 year
Your Royal Blueness
11/13/24 9:37am
My only issue is what "throw the book at him" potentially means.
Belboz
11/13/24 10:35am
Yeah very true. I’m good with him getting what you mentioned
Your Royal Blueness
11/13/24 11:54am
Yes, it would be "getting off easy."
DeepCCoug
11/14/24 1:27am
I'd add two things: 1. He should be banned from Utah sporting events for life
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
11/13/24 7:05am
I think making the kid attend all Utah sporting events would be a more severe punishment.
Housemartin
11/13/24 7:12am
Only as long as he is wearing full BYU gear.
roadrash
11/13/24 9:45am
Nah sentence him to clean up the west concourse after games
KYU
11/13/24 7:39am
Their administration did send a message
Gustav
11/13/24 8:23am
It’s seems there are few things Taylor Randall enjoys more than being silent
JosephAllenMaldonado
11/13/24 10:45am
I don't think we know enough about the young man to know how he should be dealt with. Is he a good kid who did something
John Doe
11/13/24 7:08am
I think we should be held responsible for our actions at any age.
SouthernCoug
11/13/24 7:15am
We do that now. We have a different system for juveniles. But once they reach adulthood, how do you do that?
John Doe
11/13/24 7:43am
Got it. I think I misunderstood your message.
SouthernCoug
11/13/24 11:44am
This is a bad situation no matter the outcome. What I am most disappointed in is
SouthernCoug
11/13/24 7:12am
If he posted what he did on social media then he deserves to be prosecuted to
CameronG
11/13/24 12:28pm
Today's society "he is just a baby." 200 years ago he has real responsibility.
maYbe
11/13/24 7:14am
200 years ago JS was taken to trial for criminal conduct
hadmonster
11/13/24 1:05pm
This is the age old debate about justice & mercy
PickleButton
11/13/24 7:19am
I wonder how this compares to the BYU fan attack on the Utah mascot
Happy As Larry
11/13/24 7:19am
wasn't it a male cheerleader, not a mascot?
Blue Ridge
11/13/24 7:57am
I was young once, I don't have a criminal record, never came close
Count Cougar
11/13/24 7:26am
My dad was tangentially aware that my friends and I bent and lightly fractured
Emmett Fitz-Hume
11/13/24 7:30am
This sort of thing makes me think of the story President Hinckley shared in conference about the woman who had a frozen
durandal
11/13/24 7:36am
I'd be happy to see him get a criminal record and a year in jail.
DeepCCoug
11/13/24 7:58am
I'll never understand this perspective.
durandal
11/13/24 8:02am
He needs to pay a heavy price to be an example for everyone else.
DeepCCoug
11/14/24 1:13am
Yikes, that's harsh dude.
runnincoug
11/13/24 8:42am
He deserves it. He intended to commit injury to someone from the other side.
DeepCCoug
11/14/24 1:16am
Unless the coach who got hit is a family member, this is unhinged
Clark Addison
11/13/24 9:21am
I was 18 once. I wasn't throwing dangerous items at people's heads.
COACHdrn
11/13/24 7:48am
A good Judge will have all that figured out.
VenomFarmer
11/13/24 7:49am
The U allows this behavior. They are to blame.
LateToTheGame
11/13/24 7:49am
This is the right take. It’s more on them than it is on the kid.
JosephAllenMaldonado
11/13/24 10:46am
He was not charged with disorderly conduct. He was charged with assault.
bocadillotortuga
11/13/24 7:51am
pffft. My kids? I was worse. Glad I didn't ruin my life.
Acorn
11/13/24 8:00am
I agree. I was young and dumb. I look at some of the stuff I did at that age and
bookofdaniel
11/13/24 8:07am
We were all teenagers once…
PatriotCoug86
11/13/24 8:09am
Banned for life, community service, record expunged after probation.
mccledg
11/13/24 8:26am
I tend to be more sympathetic towards victims…
First-n-10
11/13/24 8:18am
You can do both.
fattycoug
11/13/24 8:25am
The banned student went on his mission and came back and attended BYU.
BYULAWGUY
11/13/24 9:02am
His community service should involve cleaning toilets on BYU campus
D.T. Survivor
11/13/24 8:23am
Connor Pay said…
PatriotCoug86
11/13/24 8:51am
If that is the case, then it should not be a Class A misdemeanor
BYULAWGUY
11/13/24 9:03am
The cheerleader coach said plastic water bottle. I wouldn’t go with what Pay
D.T. Survivor
11/13/24 10:33am
From the video it looks like a full, plastic, water bottle. It bounces off her face and sprays water. If it were metal..
PJMort
11/13/24 11:02am
Yeah, kids do kid stuff. When I turned 16, we drove around town and threw
Frank Drebin
11/13/24 9:00am
Sure sounds like a lot of people are trying to turn the perpetrator into a
Jasbo
11/13/24 9:28am
I don’t think that’s the case at all.
Eddie
11/13/24 9:38am
The problem is nobody knows about previous history if it keeps getting swept
stoils
11/13/24 10:24am
I agree - completely.
Eddie
11/13/24 10:45am
Yep. DARVO. The leftists use that tactic all the time.
DeepCCoug
11/14/24 1:18am
Did he come forward? That would show remorse. If he got caught and
ChiCityCoug
11/13/24 9:48am
I would feel worse for him if he faced no real consequences.
buckeyecougarguy
11/13/24 9:53am
Our opinions are irrelevant, it's in the hands of the justice system now
RIGAMORTIS
11/13/24 9:54am
The goal is to effect change. There's no change if he gets off easy. No change
Accipiter
11/13/24 10:09am
I tend to be less sympathetic, why?
stoils
11/13/24 10:17am
A couple of observations from a Utah licensed attorney (me)
davidsonlaw
11/13/24 10:28am
People behave differenty in a mob than they do when they're alone
Belboz
11/13/24 10:38am
This. I blame the kid, but I blame the toxic Rice Eccles culture more.
runnincoug
11/13/24 10:56am
Just being part of a mob doesn't excuse criminal behavior.
davidsonlaw
11/13/24 11:22am
It doesn't excuse the behavior, but it makes me hesitate in dismissing the kid
Belboz
11/13/24 11:30am
He assaulted a woman. Why does this not compute?
MarylandFan
11/13/24 12:59pm
Right, he did something stupid that led to a terrible consequence.
Belboz
11/13/24 1:13pm
Exactly correct. You get more of what you tolerate.
DeepCCoug
11/14/24 1:20am
Calm down, a misdemeanor isn't going to ruin someone's life.
CougarWildcat
11/13/24 10:38am
If he interviews with a BYU fan and has to explain this away, he will be the
RoboKayne
11/13/24 10:57am
I don't want any of this. The kid and his family are scum and consequences exist for a reason.
AltTabbins
11/13/24 11:26am
That sounds good if you remove the "the kid and his family are scum" part.
Belboz
11/13/24 11:32am
Who goes to a football game as a family and allows this? .. His family should be embarrassed.
AltTabbins
11/13/24 11:36am
I'd definitely be embarrassed if my 18 year-old son did that.
Belboz
11/13/24 11:43am
100 bucks says his dad was screaming and probably cursing and adding to the mob
runnincoug
11/13/24 12:13pm
Plus he waited days to turn his son in instead of immediately
CameronG
11/13/24 12:49pm
Sorry, I haven't read all the responses, but I believe financial compensation
Roadrunner70
11/13/24 11:54am
I'd love to see 4 paragraphs about the victim of the assailant's projectile
MarylandFan
11/13/24 12:18pm
I haven’t seen any discussion about potential lawsuits from victim
Superman21
11/13/24 12:57pm
Please, just stop with all the speculation. Let justice prevail. No shenanigans
sfeuz
11/13/24 1:44pm
RE: Regarding the 18 year old culprit of water bottle. When situations
tonythetiger
11/13/24 5:16pm
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