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Jan 9, 2025
4:27:01pm

Brisket Starter

Ouch. Definitely needs improvement.

QB Play in the bowl games (excluding the CFB Playoff games). We got one last Cam Ward performance before the NFL, Garrett Nussmeier, Garrett Greene, Brady Cook, Kyle McCord and Demond Williams(!) all up next pic.twitter.com/Cg4s0kbrtD
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Brisket

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Last login: Jan 21, 2025
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Ouch. Definitely needs improvement.

Brisket Starter

Jan 9, 4:27pm

Half of CB is in denial about this data.

Haysom Till

Jan 9, 4:29pm

No they aren't. He had a bad bowl game. Who is saying he didn't?

Jericho

Jan 9, 4:32pm

Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night, I’m fine with.

Haysom Till

Jan 9, 4:49pm

I have to tell you

Jericho

Jan 9, 4:53pm

He has mostly bad games

Jan 9, 6:34pm

He improved until the UCF game and then had his 5 worst games (in a row) to end

Jan 9, 7:45pm

So...sounds like last year?

notaboy

Jan 10, 5:41am

So nobody? You can’t post a single link to even one person saying what you claim

Abe Froman

Jan 10, 10:47pm

Yeah, who needs data…or eyes? We can just base everything off win loss record.

Brisket

Jan 9, 4:32pm

you are right, we should accept this data and bench the quarterback that let us to 11 wins in a P4 conference

JOPE

Jan 9, 4:33pm

We should bench him sooooo hard for sure. That is exactly what I’m clamoring for

Haysom Till

Jan 9, 4:51pm

What is your objective in complaining so much about Retzlaff?

MarylandFan

Jan 10, 2:10am

I'm fine with whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night.

Belboz

Jan 10, 8:29am

After a good game @ 4-8 UCF, his passing in the 2nd half of the season was poor.

Jan 9, 4:59pm

Such a dumb post. Thats not what he is saying. Jake is mid. ST and an amazing

Idacoug

Jan 9, 6:39pm

why do you say this? We were one freak play against Kansas from being in the playoff and one db leaking our calls away.

HarlemCoug

Jan 9, 6:53pm

An ex-db but a real DB.

Q-grr

Jan 9, 8:32pm

…nope— the real story is ST and defense did enough to mask his poor play

Jan 9, 10:30pm

And ps - you still haven't sent proof that you ever wore a Utah tie to church after losing our bet.

HarlemCoug

Jan 9, 7:04pm

We won 11 games in spite of Retzlaff

Wise One

Jan 9, 7:57pm

Truth right here

CT98

Jan 9, 9:57pm

Really? Arizona was won despite him? No. UCF? No. Oklahoma State?

Polecat

Jan 10, 11:59am

Wait, all of a sudden you care about his PFF grade for one game? Look at season

viper

Jan 9, 6:59pm

He’s the weakest link on the team. If we have Dart we make the playoff 100%

StraightOuttaOrem

Jan 9, 10:20pm

He had a bad game. The result was that BYU won big

Belboz

Jan 10, 8:27am

Nuh uh! Nuh uh! No we're not!!

RICoug

Jan 10, 2:51pm

Yes, the bowl game was not Retzlaff's best game

Indy Coug

Jan 9, 4:31pm

Not great the last 3 or 4 games

machete

Jan 9, 4:32pm

he was banged up and didn’t play great

JOPE

Jan 9, 4:35pm

The chart was exclusively limited to bowl games

Indy Coug

Jan 9, 4:36pm

You’re the stats guy, what does the chart look like for the season?

Brisket

Jan 9, 4:43pm

Here's a comparison of his pre-bowl game PFF grade for 2024 vs other Big12 QBs

Indy Coug

Jan 9, 4:44pm

Seems like it doesn’t take much into turnovers, which is kind of Jake’s Achilles heal.

Brisket

Jan 9, 4:53pm

PFF grades definitely take into account bad decisions throwing the ball

Indy Coug

Jan 9, 4:55pm

PFF considers everything. Every play is ranked.

Belboz

Jan 10, 8:38am

Jake was 3rd best in the B12. Isaac Wilson was last by a mile.

HarlemCoug

Jan 9, 5:23pm

Kinda crazy that BYU won so easily (and scored so much) with that kind of QB performance.

TCuz

Jan 9, 4:33pm

Much of the season he was why we were winning while also why we weren’t even better

JOPE

Jan 9, 4:37pm

Some teams win because of their QB, and some win despite their QB. Think late 90s and early 2000s Ravens and Bucs.

Brisket

Jan 9, 4:37pm

Thought the exact same thing. Thank you defense!

Jan 9, 6:31pm

We’re watching the cougs take on PSU rn if we have an above avg QB this season

775coug

Jan 9, 4:34pm

3rd best QB is way above average. Head coaches in the Big12, not CB couch potato

NYC and Japan

Jan 9, 10:24pm

We’re the best team in the big12, the big12 shouldn’t be our standard

775coug

Jan 10, 1:49am

3rd best in Big12 would be better than almost all G5 and most ACC, B1G and SEC

NYC and Japan

Jan 10, 8:15am

Was it though?

775coug

Jan 10, 2:49pm

The list of CBers that gaslight themselves is a long one 😂

Jan 10, 8:07am

11-6 as a starter (15 P4) vs the most difficult SOS in BYU history. Looking forward to his senior season! What a stud.

mulletino

Jan 9, 4:36pm

I think posts like OP show why posting his record is irrelevant

775coug

Jan 9, 4:41pm

Yes, his stats vs Colorado were definitely irrelevant.

mulletino

Jan 9, 4:48pm

I wouldn’t say irrelevant. They helped keep Colorado in the game

cajuncoug

Jan 9, 6:29pm

Colorado was never in the game. I’m sure play calling reflected this.

mulletino

Jan 9, 6:56pm

This is silly

cajuncoug

Jan 9, 7:13pm

Jake needs our support not our criticism. His win loss record does make him unassailable - that's my point at

HarlemCoug

Jan 9, 7:27pm

Hey you’re back

cajuncoug

Jan 9, 7:52pm

I honestly wonder what some of you would have sounded like in 1984.

MarylandFan

Jan 10, 2:19am

'84? Hall monitors bad. Football team good. (hyothetical) Cougarboard different

cajuncoug

Jan 10, 4:09am

Sadly, you know exactly what they would be saying.

HarlemCoug

Jan 10, 8:00am

You can B&M all offseason if you want. Your choice. But he’s your 2025 starter either way. Enjoy.

mulletino

Jan 9, 7:38pm

He is. And a pretty good one. Hopefully an even better one in 25.

cajuncoug

Jan 9, 7:54pm

If the ST doesn’t get 5 touchdowns and defense 22 int’s, he will def be exposed

Jan 9, 8:25pm

Sorry you're going through such a difficult time. Thoughts and prayers.

mulletino

Jan 9, 8:45pm

Haha, I’m not, but the team def will unless he improves a lot before next yr

Jan 9, 10:27pm

Current stage of grief: Bargaining.

MarylandFan

Jan 10, 2:23am

Current stage of self-gaslighting: laughable 😂

Jan 10, 8:08am

Reverting to denial and anger now.

MarylandFan

Jan 11, 8:09am

The only denial is from CBers that ignore the actual data proving Retz is mid

Jan 11, 10:26am

I'll pose you the same question I asked above:

MarylandFan

Jan 11, 2:10pm

If only he’d thrown for 400 and lost a close one like vs ASU! He’d be so much better.

mulletino

Jan 9, 4:50pm

Do you agree that teams can win in spite of their QB?

775coug

Jan 9, 5:03pm

It is in fact a team game, yes?

mulletino

Jan 9, 5:12pm

Absolutely, so it wouldn’t be fair to say a QB is great because the TEAM is 11-2

775coug

Jan 9, 5:19pm

Is there a link to me saying he’s great?

mulletino

Jan 9, 6:56pm

Ok so he’s not great. Perfect, we agree

775coug

Jan 9, 7:22pm

No, we don't agree that the team won "in spite" of Jake.

dfudge

Jan 10, 12:02am

how did Retzlaff rank compared to other Big 12 QBs throughout regular season?

Belboz

Jan 10, 8:52am

Good enough for us to just barely *miss* the ccg. I want more than that. Do you?

775coug

Jan 10, 2:51pm

Top three: Sanders, Leavitt, Retzlaff

Belboz

Jan 10, 7:03pm

None of them won the Heisman.

dfudge

Jan 10, 8:19pm

Like the SMU game, we won in spite of him

dtownCoug

Jan 9, 4:53pm

Did they give Retzlaff Bohanon's pick?

2FarGone

Jan 9, 5:00pm

Yay! Cam Ward did great . . . in a losing effort.

2FarGone

Jan 9, 5:02pm

Are those the only two options? You make it sound like it

CameronG

Jan 9, 5:22pm

The other option is cheer for Jake to come back and take the next step.

dfudge

Jan 10, 12:04am

I don't know the options but the team won a lot of games in spite of Retzlaff

CameronG

Jan 10, 9:06am

Option 3: Just don’t make horrific, costly plays in the red zone?

cajuncoug

Jan 9, 6:37pm

He threw three picks, don’t need a chart to tell us he stunk in the bowl game

Jan 9, 5:07pm

No, he did not. He threw two picks. Bohanon threw one.

2FarGone

Jan 9, 5:10pm

He threw three picks. The one on the two point conversion doesn’t count in the

Jan 9, 5:14pm

Yet INTs on 2 pt conv aren’t INTs. If the consequences of INTs on a 2 pt conv were dire, QBs would think twice.

mulletino

Jan 9, 5:18pm

Ah yes, like he “thought twice” on the other two picks in the same game.

Jan 9, 5:22pm

*4 separate occasions

Haysom Till

Jan 9, 5:24pm

Yep. One data point. He’s good and will be better in 2025.

mulletino

Jan 9, 6:57pm

RE: He threw three picks. The one on the two point conversion doesn’t count in the

Haysom Till

Jan 9, 5:26pm

lol 4 INTs. You can’t be taken seriously with garbage like that.

mulletino

Jan 9, 6:58pm

Just because you hate the team and players doesn’t make your lies relevant

NYC and Japan

Jan 9, 10:31pm

Biggest issue IMO is losing his cool/poise in critical situations

Lombardi

Jan 9, 7:19pm

Don't see Utah up there... But

CougarLegend

Jan 9, 10:50pm

So glad to have Jake! Looking forward to next year!

Mark

Jan 10, 7:30am

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