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Mr. Belding
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I've watched A LOT of baseball in my 43 years on this earth. The greatest player I have ever seen play this game is.....
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I've watched A LOT of baseball in my 43 years on this earth. The greatest player I have ever seen play this game is.....
Mr. Belding
Truly Addicted User
Jan 21, 11:45am
Most enhanced, maybe.
LifeLongLakerFan
Jan 21, 11:47am
Sad thing is that he was great before he roided. He was a sure fire HOFer. On
ATX
Jan 21, 11:53am
Yep, no question.
LifeLongLakerFan
Jan 21, 11:58am
Largest dome
Parker Schnabel
Jan 21, 3:25pm
steroids or not, best hitter I have ever seen.
oryguncoug
Jan 21, 11:47am
Did you see the "not"?
daki
Jan 21, 11:48am
Yes. Was still a great hitter, albeit with less power. I am taking his resume
oryguncoug
Jan 21, 11:51am
He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. He took steroids because he believed it
SoCalCoug
Jan 21, 11:56am
I don't disagree it is tainted. If original post was "non steroid" aided
oryguncoug
Jan 21, 12:03pm
I don't consider someone the "greatest" if they achieved their numbers
SoCalCoug
Jan 21, 12:09pm
I would agree...it's too bad he was juiced to the gills and also was
Wally Murph
Jan 21, 11:47am
It’s not even close.
TCuz
Jan 21, 11:49am
Prime Trout was kinda close. But still not Bonds.
Scratch
Jan 21, 11:55am
Trout's even on a lot of things--fielding, throwing, pre-steroid speed, & beats
Zooropa
Jan 21, 2:23pm
Incredible natural talent has a hitter. Incredible doubling of his head size.
oxcoug
Jan 21, 11:49am
RE: I've watched A LOT of baseball in my 43 years on this earth. The greatest player I have ever seen play this game
Pollster
Jan 21, 11:50am
Ohtani is the greatest player. Bonds is the greatest hitter.
Cougs4Lfe
Jan 21, 11:52am
Ohtani might get there one day. Bonds was awesome for so long. Ohtani needs
LakeshowCougs
Jan 21, 11:57am
He needs longevity and peak. He has neither over Bonds, only potential. It’s not currently even a debate.
TCuz
Jan 21, 12:01pm
This exactly
RoaroftheCougartails
Jan 21, 12:05pm
I would agree. Ohtani is a unicorn. He just isnt on Bonds level.
LakeshowCougs
Jan 21, 12:12pm
I mean. He did help the Dodgers World Series almost immediately after signing.
Cougs4Lfe
Jan 21, 1:26pm
Ohtani is awesome and it’s great he’s a Dodger. Just needs to be dominant longer
LakeshowCougs
Jan 21, 2:18pm
fair
Incentivize
Jan 21, 1:18pm
Even with my hatred for the Dodgers I have to begrudgingly agree.
Pollster
Jan 21, 11:58am
As a die-hard Giants fan, I can relate.
Cougs4Lfe
Jan 21, 11:58am
Player is all encompassing. Ohtani is not close. From a value perspective, he’s never even put up a 10 bWAR season
TCuz
Jan 21, 12:00pm
Agreed!
Boomcannon
Jan 21, 11:53am
I wish Bo had been able to finish. Bo Jackson
PhilPete
Jan 21, 11:54am
Bo was a very good baseball player. He was not a great baseball player. Look at
Jdoc
Jan 21, 12:03pm
Really wasn’t a great outfielder. He missed a fair number of
lightmann
Jan 21, 12:36pm
I don't think he had a single season batting over .300
HouseDeeking
Jan 21, 12:35pm
Career MLB batting average = .250.
lightmann
Jan 21, 12:39pm
have you heard of this "Ohtani" guy? Pretty special if you can be the best hitter and pitcher in the league.
dryflyelk
Jan 21, 11:55am
He is not the best hitter or the best pitcher. There is no argument for Ohtani over Bonds
TCuz
Jan 21, 12:02pm
And let's not forget he's coming off of Tommy Johns. You just never know with guys after that. Could be great. Could be
RoaroftheCougartails
Jan 21, 12:08pm
It's funny when people try to separate Bonds' hitting results from the steroids
LifeLongLakerFan
Jan 21, 12:06pm
The pitchers were juiced too
StapleGun
Jan 21, 12:08pm
It's funny when people make this claim. Pitchers today throw much harder than
Methusaleh22
Jan 21, 2:51pm
I know a few kids that could use confidence roids. Do you have any sources?
RoaroftheCougartails
Jan 21, 12:13pm
If you don't know how improved performance by artificial means would impact
LifeLongLakerFan
Jan 21, 1:55pm
I understand the confidence boost of PEDs very well. But why don't all the dopers have careers like Bonds?
RoaroftheCougartails
Jan 21, 2:07pm
Many of them did have great HOF-level careers. As for Bonds, nobody
LifeLongLakerFan
Jan 21, 2:16pm
I lived in the Bay Area when Bonds was doing his thing and went to quite a few games. He is definitely the most fun
Pollster
Jan 21, 12:13pm
i agree, bonds is most dominant player to ever play
LO Cougar
Jan 21, 12:21pm
Second most dominant behind Ruth.
Mr. Belding
Jan 21, 12:32pm
this is just an opinion, i think Ruth
LO Cougar
Jan 21, 2:21pm
That's a big claim if you're talking about ever to play. I don't come close
Bumpus Hound
Jan 21, 1:13pm
Besides Mays, who would you rank above Bonds?
Jdoc
Jan 21, 1:15pm
There are a lot of lists out there, but this is the one that I agree with most
Bumpus Hound
Jan 21, 1:19pm
My main quibbles with the list are I don't think Pedro Martinez (#11)
Bumpus Hound
Jan 21, 1:28pm
that escalated quickly
Incentivize
Jan 21, 1:19pm
Griffey Jr is a close second and Pete Rose is 3rd
Jersey hunter
Jan 21, 12:41pm
The best thing about baseball is that we have such good data and numbers
TCuz
Jan 21, 12:45pm
The only good thing about Pete Rose is he makes it easy to identify people who
Scratch
Jan 21, 12:50pm
Honestly, I don't think Pete Rose would make my top 30
Bumpus Hound
Jan 21, 1:03pm
Definitely not.
TheLoanArranger
Jan 21, 1:05pm
When you play forever to amass counting stats but your career WAR is still not
Scratch
Jan 21, 1:10pm
Pete rose is the 1st or second worst 3000+ hit player
ATX
Jan 21, 1:15pm
That’s a ridiculous statement imo.
jimmything
Jan 21, 2:33pm
He's not close to top 30 all-time by any reasonable metric.
Scratch
Jan 21, 2:39pm
I went to a Willie Mays game when I was three. So I'll claim that
Bumpus Hound
Jan 21, 12:56pm
Pre steroid use (1998) he is about a .300 hitter who hit 31 home runs a year.
Nagurski
Jan 21, 2:02pm
I believe it is well documents that Bonds did not start using steroids until
Jdoc
Jan 21, 2:10pm
Lol, he was certainly juicing before 1999
daki
Jan 21, 2:15pm
Most sources say he didn't juice until 1999 and he did it because he was pissed
Jdoc
Jan 21, 2:41pm
From 1990 - 1999, he averaged .301 BA and 33 HRs per season. Starting in 2000,
LifeLongLakerFan
Jan 21, 2:30pm
Yes. The 73 home run year skews the power numbers, but you are right that he
Jdoc
Jan 21, 2:50pm
Except the 73 did in fact happen. And even if you do take it out he averaged
Methusaleh22
Jan 21, 2:58pm
Not sure why you excluded his first four years of his career. I took home runs
Nagurski
Jan 21, 2:40pm
The only reason I excluded the first four years is because he was a much
Jdoc
Jan 21, 2:45pm
In the 90's he averaged upper 30's of home runs WITH steroids.
Nagurski
Jan 21, 3:02pm
Agree completely
BryantReeves
Jan 21, 2:14pm
He is the best hitter, even without roids.
indocoug
Jan 21, 2:28pm
Of all time? Williams and Ruth considerably above him. Maybe Gehrig too.
Zooropa
Jan 21, 2:51pm
It's tough to compare across eras. In fact, I don't think it is really possible.
Jdoc
Jan 21, 2:56pm
Maybe possibly they can play in the afterlife all together. Field of Dreams.
Robert Baratheon
Jan 21, 3:00pm
What Hank Aaron did in the "Dead Ball" era of baseball is hard to beat
slatecoug
Jan 21, 3:02pm
There are a lot of factors that make it hard to compare across eras, but Hank
Zooropa
Jan 27, 11:01am
We need new hof voters. He deserves to be in
Sandy Lyle
Jan 21, 8:51pm
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