May 7, 2024
8:52:08pm
NYC and Japan All-American
You clearly were not in my ward. In bishopric meeting the bishop asked to be
given lists of those that did not donate, so he could call and literally pressure them to donate. I said, he needs to not do that. FOS is not a commandment. FOS and BSA are not the church. People that are barely making it do not need pressure put on them by their BISHOP to donate. You are literally going to give many people a testimony strain for no reason, if you do this. The conversation continued for over an hour. Often quite heated. At the end, the bishop agreed that calling and putting pressure on people was a bad idea. The church protocol (that I emphasized repeatedly), as you mention, everyone is given an opportunity to donate would be followed. Everyone just needed to be personally contacted once.

Shortly after that, before I was even asked to donate by whoever was over my part of the ward, the bishop called me and started pressuring me to donate, asking why I wasn't going to donate... I was flaming mad. I asked him to stop. He wouldn't stop. After over 10 minutes of that, I told him that he would need to give me advanced notice of any future discussion of FOS, so I could leave the meeting for the discussion. He said that wasn't possible. I told that with or without notice, I would walk out of any future discussion of FOS in bishopric meetings. Maintaining a good relationship with my bishop was important for my testimony and my relationship with the church. That was no longer possible if he wanted to discuss FOS with me present after saying he was not going to pressure people to donate and then calling to pressure me to donate.

FOS never came up again in bishopric meeting, at least not while I was present. Maybe they had separate discussions.

A few months later I was released. I had been in the bishopric for about 5 years, so it was probably time (holdover from a previous bishopric), but maybe that experience sped the release.

I am not and was not anti-scouts. I donated to FOS for decades. I was scoutmaster twice. I went to almost every campout my boys went on in scouts and YM. That discussion was just too much. Some people took scouting and related activities way too seriously. Some people didn't take them seriously enough and allowed abuse to happen. Both very sad.
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