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Reported the ineligible Skyridge player played in both playoff games
(1984coug, Nov 8, 2023 at 9:57pm)
In other news...UHSAA executive committee voted tonight to get rid of the 2 weeks prior rule for baseball and softball.
(Uno Doctoro, Nov 8, 2023 at 7:59pm)
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RickSanchez
11/8/23 6:38pm
Wow. Anyone else have any additional details?
byubyu
11/8/23 6:39pm
It's true
Dark Forest Green
11/8/23 6:43pm
wow.. as a parent with a son on the team, this re-opens last week's wound
timpjynx
11/8/23 6:42pm
should just vacate the win and let PG advance
timpjynx
11/8/23 6:43pm
was the player a starter or a scrub?
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
11/8/23 6:44pm
Doesn't matter. Team should be disqualified.
Schultz is back
11/8/23 6:49pm
Agree but I think he is asking the impact on the game.
Cougstreak
11/8/23 6:58pm
Nah...don't beat up on the entire team for some AD's/Coach's decision..if some
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
11/8/23 6:58pm
Bull crap. If you play an ineligible player. You play an ineligible player.
Adwight
11/8/23 7:03pm
I bet you a cougartail that every team in the state has at least one kid who
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
11/8/23 7:08pm
Section 7-A of the handbook lays out the penalties that are options for the UHSAA. Forfeit is not a guarantee, but is
Uno Doctoro
11/8/23 7:11pm
There is precedent. UHSAA is a total joke.
Adwight
11/8/23 7:12pm
I've been on both sides of this and I can promise you the executive committee is a bunch of reasonable humans that make
Uno Doctoro
11/8/23 7:22pm
Correct.. LP essentially forced to vacate their entire season just 4 years ago
timpjynx
11/8/23 7:23pm
I don't know the ins and outs, but I bet you that it was because of derelict of duty and wanton neglect of the AD to
Uno Doctoro
11/8/23 7:25pm
no they vacated their regular season and got put into the playoffs as the last
1984coug
11/8/23 7:37pm
And I’m glad they changed the bylaws after realizing how stupid that is.
Blusox
11/8/23 7:38pm
RE: Skyridge head coach and offensive coordinate suspended in semis
RickSanchez
11/8/23 6:45pm
The parents down there make sure any investigator disappears.
Ojiisan
11/8/23 6:46pm
I honestly believe that played part for all the bad calls in that game.
RickSanchez
11/8/23 6:49pm
When multiple guns and swords are brandished to the refs it's understandable
Ojiisan
11/8/23 6:52pm
Maybe not "their lives" but definitely could see wanting to avoid the hassle & controversy.
Soupie
11/8/23 7:39pm
I don’t think I’ve ever seen this. I wonder what made him ineligible
Medute
11/8/23 6:53pm
Could’ve been grades but i’m not sure
RickSanchez
11/8/23 7:03pm
Weird time of year for grades, no? It’s not end of term
Medute
11/8/23 7:18pm
I believe the term ended in mid-October
BYU Fan
11/8/23 7:23pm
Skyridge is the fake Lehi school. Scumbags over there. Their FB program needs to get shut down for a year.
Haysom Till
11/8/23 6:53pm
This is what happened...player was eligible, failed a couple of classes, AD didn't notify the coach in time as the term
Uno Doctoro
11/8/23 6:59pm
So you don’t really know…?
RickSanchez
11/8/23 7:10pm
What is the alternative? The player moved in and hadn't been cleared, yet they played him? Absolutely not this, as the
Uno Doctoro
11/8/23 7:16pm
If it is not the coaches fault why is the HC punished? IMO, it should be a forfeit and AD to be punished!
Cougstreak
11/8/23 7:12pm
Why in the world would you say “This is what happened?” & then say “I have no knowledge of any of this?”
Real G Man
11/8/23 7:15pm
Because I'm right without being able to prove it and we will never know, due to FERPA
Uno Doctoro
11/8/23 7:17pm
He is correct above. I just text someone within the program.
Cougstreak
11/8/23 7:17pm
Punishing coaches or admin means nothing if a game was decided through breaking rules. Forfeiture is the only
Soupie
11/8/23 7:43pm
Agreed.
Cougstreak
11/8/23 7:46pm
To me it shouldn't matter. If he's on the roster & wearing a uniform, the team is breaking the rules.
Soupie
11/8/23 7:49pm
Totally agree. Just saying I don’t know the impact it had on the game without know the player
Cougstreak
11/8/23 7:52pm
Bull. Any coach who doesn't review every players grades when they come out isn't
Schultz is back
11/8/23 7:43pm
What if the coach isn't a teacher and doesn't have access to the grades and relies upon the AD, who didn't check in time
Uno Doctoro
11/8/23 7:45pm
Why should it matter how or why? He was ineligible.
Soupie
11/8/23 7:50pm
The teacher should notify the coach. The student should tell the coach.
Schultz is back
11/8/23 7:54pm
Classroom size of 40 with 5 periods...no way this is done consistently every single time. Not the teachers fault. This
Uno Doctoro
11/8/23 7:56pm
Yep...AD's job to check for eligibility, not a teacher's..the term ended a few
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
11/8/23 8:02pm
Is it straight GPA? Any single F may not be the deciding factor if so. Most HS teachers have 6-7 classes.
Soupie
11/8/23 8:00pm
2.0 and no more than one F.
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
11/8/23 8:04pm
So no single teacher would know if their grade was the issue. Not their job at all.
Soupie
11/8/23 8:12pm
True.. This is not a teacher issue
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
11/8/23 8:22pm
Doesn't having even one F make you ineligible? It should.
Schultz is back
11/8/23 8:25pm
No, one F does not make an athlete ineligible
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
11/8/23 8:47pm
It should.
Schultz is back
11/8/23 10:44pm
PG should be the forfeit winner then.
Adwight
11/8/23 7:02pm
What are the details on the ineligible student?
BYU Fan
11/8/23 7:14pm
Grades don't matter week to week. What matters is the final term grade.
Uno Doctoro
11/8/23 7:20pm
Could be wrong but I don’t believe that’s true
RickSanchez
11/8/23 7:23pm
Section 8-A-2-B
Uno Doctoro
11/8/23 7:27pm
The term ended the second week of october
RickSanchez
11/8/23 7:41pm
yes... Skyridge AD/Coach should be in hot water
1984coug
11/8/23 7:42pm
Yes, there is some wiggle room if student has an "I" grade
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
11/8/23 8:06pm
They cannot compete with I’s I thought, those count as F’s but can be changed
1984coug
11/8/23 8:15pm
True but an 'I' grade can be made up and a 'F' grade can only be changed (once
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
11/8/23 8:24pm
But you can’t compete with the I until it’s changed
1984coug
11/8/23 8:35pm
True....I once had to prove that a teacher made a clerical error..not fun
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
11/8/23 8:45pm
Yeah that can’t be fun… no win situation for an admin
1984coug
11/8/23 9:18pm
which means player was ineligible for both playoff games
1984coug
11/8/23 7:42pm
Unless the player did not play in the first playoff games. I believe they had some key players back last week….
Cougstreak
11/8/23 7:51pm
Correct, but I’m saying that they should have known
1984coug
11/8/23 8:15pm
AD should also be on suspension as they do the grade checks
1984coug
11/8/23 7:41pm
When are grades posted at skyrkdge? I have no idea. My school takes 7-10 business days. It is entirely possible that
Uno Doctoro
11/8/23 7:47pm
the first game skyridge played was 10 days after the term ended
RickSanchez
11/8/23 7:48pm
Any teacher/admin can check grades on any given day.
Soupie
11/8/23 7:51pm
But that doesn't matter. The bylaw in the handbook says when the registrar posts the grades. Suppose the registrar was
Uno Doctoro
11/8/23 7:58pm
Term ended on 10/18... grading portal closed on 10/22. Usually once a portal is
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
11/8/23 8:12pm
I just read the DesNews article. 2 weeks. Grades had been out for 2 weeks. I'm surprised it wasn't a forfeit after
Uno Doctoro
11/8/23 9:58pm
Should have been.
Soupie
11/8/23 10:02pm
They posted nearly 2 weeks before the game was played.
Soupie
11/8/23 8:20pm
I believe they have a full time AD as well
Charles Darwin
11/8/23 8:08pm
Most hs ADs are a member of the admin team now
1984coug
11/8/23 8:18pm
At Skyridge he is not admin
Charles Darwin
11/8/23 8:42pm
Well ASD let’s them do whatever anyway
1984coug
11/8/23 9:38pm
I believe he was the football HC until this season.
Cougstreak
11/8/23 9:24pm
Wait-so skyridge doesn’t forfeit?
Dr MoBYU
11/9/23 7:47am
No...but here is what the UHSAA handbook says re: ineligible players
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
11/9/23 7:52am
Having grades out for 2 weeks allowing a kid to play 2 full playoff games should result in more than meaningless
Soupie
11/9/23 8:30am
I agree. School has the option for more severe consequences on the coaches. I’m ok with that bc Handbook is what it is.
Dr MoBYU
11/9/23 8:34am
I agree that PG got hosed. Two interceptions. Two PI penalties. Had PG won,
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
11/9/23 8:44am
Again. Meaningless after the fact hand wringing does nothing for the kids at PG who followed the rules.
Soupie
11/9/23 9:06am
You are reading just section 7. Don't forget to read section 8, which describes penalties for ineligible players.
Uno Doctoro
11/9/23 8:42am
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