But I know that it normally takes a number of years to move up to cocaine. There were rumors of him with pain pills while at byu, but those were just rumors. I seem to have hit nerve with you which honestly wasn't my intention. My point being, most likely, (not definitive) he's been using some type of drug for a number of years. My bigger point, however, is that I don't wish this on him and I hope he gets the help he needs. I'm not wishing him ill and I'm not attacking you. In fact I'm wishing him and his family well. If you want to keep calling me ignorant for hoping one of byu's most beloved football players gets help then feel free. Whatever makes you feel good.