They got top 5-10 recruiting classes under hoke...we're talking usc/Bama type talent.

Harbaugh has waaaaaay more talent at Michigan than he ever had at Stanford. Michigan is legit.

The players play the game, but In college...coaching is everything. Ask utah, florida and ohio st. (Urban)....see texas, usc , Florida, Georgia...oregon this year. all these teams have the best players....but aren't winning much of anything these days.