to the point where he is one of those guys. He's still better quality than that, which is good because he can still be a good option, higher than just your typical 3 and D vet. They need D and they're getting it from two new guys who can also score. Not just grabbing a Shane Battier.
But you said it was subjective. It's not. Quite some gray area between being a superstar and being a complete shell who needs to retire soon.