Why is it dishonest or immoral?

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May 21, 2024
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So I just had my monthly 1:1 with my boss where I was informed that they plan

Doctor Rosenrosen

May 21, 5:54pm

It’s only 1 more day a week. You still have 1 day off.

DiamondMo

May 21, 5:56pm

You should find out what the other lawyer intends to do. You'll have significant leverage if he decides to retire.

HarlemCoug

May 21, 5:57pm

If the work is being farmed out to outside counsel, then what is the leverage?

BYU'01

May 21, 6:05pm

If they both leave, then the company is in a bad spot.

HarlemCoug

May 21, 6:10pm

What bad spot is created if outside counsel is doing the work?

BYU'01

May 21, 6:14pm

Using outside counsel for all the work will cost 2x as much.

JamieTartt

May 21, 7:10pm

OP’s offer: I farm out all work to outside counsel or I quit. In either case…

BYU'01

May 21, 7:21pm

If he doesn’t get to farm he and other attorney will likely leave and the company is in a really bad spot.

JamieTartt

May 21, 7:22pm

I’m only asking to farm out most of the extra 20% they want to pile on

Doctor Rosenrosen

May 21, 7:28pm

Seems like a change is past due. You don’t like your comp & they appear unhappy

BYU'01

May 21, 8:02pm

outside counsel costs for the same work are 500% higher typically

Socrates Johnson

May 22, 10:49am

Which is probably why his manager wants him to do it instead of farming it to OC

BYU'01

May 22, 4:48pm

Well yeah; you always win temporarily if you can beat the donkeys harder

Socrates Johnson

May 22, 8:54pm

I’m calling him tomorrow

Doctor Rosenrosen

May 21, 6:05pm

Sounds like an interesting application of game theory

IAmSpartyCoug

May 21, 6:14pm

I had the same thought. A twist on the prisoners dilemma and collusion

scottpete

May 21, 8:01pm

Don’t tell him your plan, even if he says something off handed it could hurt

SwanSong

May 22, 12:04am

Companies that ask you to do that want loyalty from you but offer none in return

Duke Silver

May 21, 5:57pm

Especially in this economy

SWKTNative

May 21, 6:04pm

Don’t quiet quit. If they don’t meet your demands then quit like a man or do

JoeExotic

May 21, 6:01pm

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SWKTNative

May 21, 6:04pm

Does quiet quit mean you don’t do anything at all for as long as you can

CommodoreCoug

May 21, 6:04pm

It is dishonest for the company to ask more work from someone without a pay increase.

RSL

May 21, 6:04pm

Why is it dishonest or immoral?

argus

May 21, 6:14pm

You agreed to a job description for an amount of pay. Going beyond that with no additional pay is dishonest at best.

RSL

May 21, 6:20pm

Neither.

Incentivize

May 21, 6:47pm

If you don’t like your employers terms then leave. Don’t steal.

BYU'01

May 21, 6:15pm

They are "stealing" from me. Why is their sin forgiven but the employee's isn't?

RSL

May 21, 6:19pm

Not giving you large enough pay raises is not stealing

BYU'01

May 21, 7:20pm

But refusing to do 20% more work for 0% more pay is?

CommodoreCoug

May 21, 10:48pm

If you don’t like your employment expectations you can quit. I’ve asked employee

BYU'01

May 22, 4:42pm

Refusing to do more than you’ve historically done

CommodoreCoug

May 22, 8:16pm

And if the employer doesn't like it they can fire you.

RSL

May 22, 8:36pm

Sure but that’s not ‘quiet quitting’. QQ & bounced paychecks = stealing. Saying

BYU'01

May 22, 9:18pm

Other than you have to look yourself in the mirror each night.

Big Daddy D

May 21, 6:16pm

They don't have trouble sleeping at night over it.

RSL

May 21, 6:21pm

Get another job ASAP.

Q-grr

May 21, 6:26pm

I agree with all of that.

RSL

May 21, 6:29pm

Did his pay check bounce? If not, his employer isn’t stealing. Quiet quitting is

BYU'01

May 21, 8:04pm

It seems the company is being upfront about the situation

The Dark Knight

May 21, 6:29pm

That's a fair point. Probably changes things for me a bit.

RSL

May 21, 6:31pm

Dishonest to ask somebody to work harder? Thats a new one. Wow

BYUfan92

May 21, 6:41pm

From the OP:

RSL

May 21, 6:48pm

Saw that. That doesn’t mean he might not be 20 less productive than he could

BYUfan92

May 21, 6:53pm

Why immediately take the corporate side here and assume he is/was 20% less effective?

RSL

May 21, 7:02pm

If you reread what I wrote I did say NOT say that. I said there could myriad

BYUfan92

May 21, 7:14pm

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JoeExotic

May 21, 8:08pm

Have you thought about getting back into medicine?

Ojiisan

May 21, 6:14pm

Considering how infrequently large companies have increased budgets for

benny1982

May 21, 6:22pm

I guess it kind of depends on how much work they think you are doing now and

SUAVO

May 21, 6:46pm

I would find a new job

arizonacougarfan

May 21, 7:33pm

The patent attorneys I know are making wholesale utilization

AF Cougar

May 21, 8:42pm

I find that incredibly hard to believe unless they're pumping out crap

benny1982

May 21, 9:48pm

Tell them you'll do it for 50% of the salary of the guy they just fired and you're still going to farm out a lot of it.

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