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Kerbouchard
Yes, it is spreading, so stop it Utah!
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POLL: Knowing that MLMs are unethical, would you rather BYU cut all ties
Yakov
7/28/15 11:07am
lol: "knowing that MLM's are unethical"
teancum
7/28/15 11:09am
There is nothing inherently unethical about the MLM business model
kccougar
7/28/15 11:10am
Completely disagree. MLMs are structured for an unfair exchange based
Yakov
7/28/15 11:14am
If people lie to get more "customers"
kccougar
7/28/15 11:17am
But there is a difference. MLMs are structured so that the company doesn't carry
Yakov
7/28/15 11:21am
You're wrong
Oldcougfan
7/28/15 11:47am
I love these kinds of compelling arguments. Happy to hear why you disagree but
Yakov
7/28/15 11:52am
You are wrong...
bstod
7/28/15 12:37pm
Good points and sounds like some progress. However, the problems with MLMs
Yakov
7/28/15 1:01pm
Actually, they are liable for claims made by distributors
MapCoug
7/28/15 1:25pm
Sounds like there has been some progress made regarding product claims
Yakov
7/28/15 1:30pm
doTERRA is hardly at risk when
Bgash
7/28/15 2:07pm
a DROP? That dude is a horrible businessman.
squidmark
7/28/15 2:18pm
Saw pictures of the Nuskin CEO's house in Alpine..absurd (including candy store)
LasVegasBlue
7/28/15 2:25pm
I'm pretty sure the CEO of NuSkin still lives in Sandy/Draper area.
91Coug
7/28/15 2:55pm
So we don't approve of how they make the money and how they spend it...
AzCoug1
7/28/15 3:11pm
I'm fine with people making tons of $ and spending it how they want
Yakov
7/28/15 3:40pm
I have been to the CEO of doTerra's home
doubled1981
7/28/15 7:40pm
How much do you think a publicly traded billion dollar company CEO should make?
Princess Jasmine
7/29/15 12:19am
So it sounds like your issue is the false claims... which exist to one degree
Pretorian
7/28/15 3:49pm
It’s not that, it’s the absurdity and tastelessness of their purchases
LasVegasBlue
7/30/15 5:05pm
You must be talking about dog people purchasing ridiculous sweaters,
Pretorian
8/4/15 7:42am
Yes there is. Mathematically you only make money if several others lose money.
yakkamole
7/28/15 11:45am
Much better response than mine. Succinct.
Yakov
7/28/15 12:02pm
This is true of business in general
buhler08
7/28/15 1:03pm
Huge gigantic differences:
Yakov
7/28/15 1:20pm
This is simply not true
buhler08
7/28/15 2:49pm
Its the exception not the rule
Yakov
7/28/15 2:53pm
They really don't.
Finngirl
7/28/15 2:55pm
Fine, at that point you are no longer referring to the MLM concept
yakkamole
7/28/15 3:28pm
Wrong again
buhler08
7/28/15 4:09pm
RE: Wrong again
Finngirl
7/28/15 4:20pm
Jamberry Nails - go
stoils
7/28/15 4:23pm
Jamberry is an interesting case, b/c back in the day, WOULD be one of the "good"
Finngirl
7/28/15 5:09pm
Take Shape For Life.
91Coug
7/28/15 4:37pm
RE: Take Shape For Life.
Finngirl
7/28/15 4:53pm
I used this program with fantastic results
HiLife
7/28/15 5:28pm
"That said, the products are very overpriced if you are just a consumer. "
Finngirl
7/28/15 5:36pm
"lose money" or "pay for product"
boscatar
7/28/15 1:29pm
"pay for a product" or "pay too much for a product"
AzCoug1
7/28/15 2:17pm
See response above... merely buying a product is different than the MLM concept
yakkamole
7/28/15 3:30pm
To clarify... the "others that lose money" are not the customers.
yakkamole
7/28/15 3:35pm
It IS a pyramid,
Finngirl
7/28/15 12:07pm
Anyone can buy doterra, Young Living, NuSkin, New Ways on line without
91Coug
7/28/15 1:53pm
Sure, you "can".... because, that's what makes it legally not a pyramid.
Finngirl
7/28/15 2:16pm
Must be something fundamental about them....because every one that I have seen
cougXor
7/28/15 1:55pm
Good example of push polling
HuskerFan2
7/28/15 11:11am
"knowing that MLMs are unethical"
CoopDizz
7/28/15 11:13am
While you are correct, I favor universally characterizing MLMs in this way
Yakov
7/28/15 11:16am
You mean a cancer to Utah LDS culture.
Kerbouchard
7/28/15 11:21am
Mostly, but starting to see it outside of Utah as well unfortunately
Yakov
7/28/15 11:22am
Yes, it is spreading, so stop it Utah!
Kerbouchard
7/28/15 11:34am
While on my mission in southern Indiana, I had plenty of contact with MLMs
reddead
7/28/15 2:46pm
Knowing that this poll is based on a false premise, I will not vote.
Kerbouchard
7/28/15 11:16am
"MLMs" are no more unethical than the company who made the shoes you are wearing
timpjynx
7/28/15 11:21am
My shoe company isn't structured to make unfair exchanges.
Yakov
7/28/15 11:25am
Define unfair exchange. You have a willing/uneducated consumer and a supplier
AzCoug1
7/28/15 12:06pm
Finngirl just said it pretty well:
Yakov
7/28/15 12:12pm
That is an invalid link for me
AzCoug1
7/28/15 12:15pm
Ha, you have her ignored... text:
Yakov
7/28/15 12:21pm
Although I agree with you on many points of the underlying problems with MLMs
AzCoug1
7/28/15 12:34pm
You usually don't blame the victims
Yakov
7/28/15 12:42pm
Victims? Really?
AzCoug1
7/28/15 2:15pm
Buying a franchise is like buying an annuity. Joining MLMs is like burning cash.
Yakov
7/28/15 2:20pm
I don't think "Statistically" means what you think it means
AzCoug1
7/29/15 11:36am
You're comparing MLMs to lotteries to make MLMs seem ethical?
Bgash
7/28/15 2:12pm
How about the exchange of money with your Doctor or Pharmacy who have very
airwolf
7/28/15 3:42pm
I would have a problem with that if they did not explain the risks and the lack
Yakov
7/28/15 4:07pm
So I expect that everythime your DR prescribes you a med he has explained that
airwolf
7/28/15 4:20pm
the biz model is unethical... legit companies that moved away from the model did
Yakov
7/28/15 5:09pm
I have no prob acknowledging that the current health care system
Yakov
7/28/15 5:13pm
If I were you
Oldcougfan
7/28/15 11:45am
I realize the OP comes across as a bit dramatic. I still feel that the associati
Yakov
7/28/15 11:54am
Did you try a MLM business? How was your experience if you did?
Marl kalone
7/28/15 11:55am
I've been approached many times but have never been involved.
Yakov
7/28/15 12:01pm
RE: POLL: Knowing that MLMs are unethical, would you rather BYU cut all ties
cougfan03
7/28/15 12:45pm
Huge red flag when someone justifies something based on who else is involved.
Yakov
7/28/15 1:08pm
RE: Huge red flag when someone justifies something based on who else is
cougfan03
7/28/15 2:01pm
I actually know the very people you are speaking of. You're right, they are
Yakov
7/28/15 2:11pm
Because church leaders never do anything unseemly or unethical...
Bgash
7/28/15 2:15pm
I would rather BYU cut ties with them because of their unscientific nonsense
BeardedSpock
7/28/15 12:49pm
Well, it could be for both reasons
Yakov
7/28/15 1:09pm
What is Capitalism, and what about Law firms?
91Coug
7/28/15 1:45pm
There are unethical law firms, sure... but creating a law firm isn't unethical
Yakov
7/28/15 1:50pm
And yet BYU still takes the money from the firm Phen-Phen built.
91Coug
7/28/15 1:55pm
Do you unilaterally pass judgment with such broad brush strokes on all groups of
BoiseBlueCoug
7/28/15 1:48pm
Nothing against the people (most are victims)... I am against the MLM biz model
Yakov
7/28/15 1:52pm
I'd say Apex (now Vivint) was a bigger issue
MarylandFan
7/28/15 3:01pm
Vivint is a great company.
wapiti
7/28/15 3:54pm
But some people had bad experiences
buhler08
7/28/15 4:28pm
Try not to conflate the past with the present
MarylandFan
7/28/15 4:47pm
Vivint is more prominent at LES than apx ever was
wapiti
7/28/15 7:58pm
'Was' being the operative word, as opposed to 'Is'
MarylandFan
7/28/15 4:33pm
Losing focus here. It is not the overpriced product that makes them unethical.
yakkamole
7/28/15 3:36pm
I'm surprised no one else has made the slippery slope argument...
lilpenny
7/28/15 4:05pm
this is MY kinda poll! tell them what their opinion is before they even vote
nashty
7/28/15 4:13pm
If you know it is a MLM then how is it unethical. If you get approached and
Blue for Life
7/28/15 4:55pm
No thanks, looks like a pyramid scheme...
Phred84044
7/28/15 6:21pm
Did you say pyramid? I like the one in Vegas
FILIKU
7/29/15 2:56am
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