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Jul 24, 2017
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cracka
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Don't they have to compensate you for the benefit that accrued under the
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My company (in Provo), pulled a complete garbage move on vacation.
Division Bell
7/24/17 7:32am
That's the trend in vacation policy
wapiti
7/24/17 7:34am
I know. It still sucks, and it's still manipulative.
Division Bell
7/24/17 7:36am
That's the free market. If you don't like it go work elsewhere
CDV
7/24/17 7:36am
Resume is all ready being distributed. By that logic, if you don't like Trump,
Division Bell
7/24/17 7:38am
RE: Resume is all ready being distributed. By that logic, if you don't like Trump,
macaroni
7/24/17 9:13am
That's not even close to the same thing.
byuTX
7/24/17 9:37am
It isn't that simple or easy.
BYUtka
7/24/17 8:59am
I could not agree more with you
pastyute
7/24/17 7:37am
Tired of your job? Ever consider making more money while making a few calls
Cougarpolis
7/24/17 7:38am
It wipes a major liability off the balance sheet for them. I understand that
Skeptical Optimist
7/24/17 7:39am
And puts it on the employees.
Division Bell
7/24/17 7:41am
Yes, but it's not really all that different. You needed to clear any time off in
Skeptical Optimist
7/24/17 7:46am
It is very different if/when you leave the company
cheezedawg
7/24/17 7:48am
No, it's nothing similar. I had banked 160 hours as part of an exit strategy
Division Bell
7/24/17 7:50am
Good point. They should compensate you for that banked time. They shouldn't be
Skeptical Optimist
7/24/17 7:52am
Don't they have to compensate you for the benefit that accrued under the
cracka
7/24/17 7:53am
Not according to the instructions/memo given last week.
Division Bell
7/24/17 7:54am
I would ask
rggee
7/24/17 7:58am
I did. It's just gone (as if they could just take it away w/ no consequences).
Division Bell
7/24/17 8:02am
As others have mentioned, that would be illegal for them to do in CA
cheezedawg
7/24/17 8:14am
Very justified rant, in that case.
Skeptical Optimist
7/24/17 8:14am
You may want to seek some legal advice about that. It's certainly not my area
cracka
7/24/17 8:02am
When my company moved to the unlimited policy, they paid out the PTO in cash
inertiaman
7/24/17 7:56am
I call BS. I don't think they can get away with not paying you out
shakarocks
7/24/17 8:01am
In Utah, they totally can.
BYUtka
7/24/17 8:07am
Are you sure? Keep in mind this isn't a termination or a quitting employee
shakarocks
7/24/17 8:12am
OK... it is a bit vague in Utah... it certainly isn't clear cut, and Utah tends
BYUtka
7/24/17 8:15am
Are you a fitness instructor now turned employment lawyer?
BlueFrog
7/24/17 1:43pm
Lose Vacation to non usage?? Especially given the underlying theme of how you fe
Osteotome
7/24/17 8:19am
I don't think 4 to 6 weeks is standard. Try to 2 to 3 weeks and if you been there a long time maybe more.
Baron
7/24/17 7:41am
Ok. Standard for every job I have had.
Skeptical Optimist
7/24/17 7:43am
Our company gives you a 4th week after 10 years.
BluebloodOR
7/24/17 4:39pm
The top of all MLM's get paid heavily
BlueFrog
7/24/17 7:40am
But they can smile and dance on stage!
Division Bell
7/24/17 7:42am
I would immediately go into my boss and let him know that I
Ty10s_WinGames
7/24/17 7:44am
Sounds like InsideSales.com except for your last paragraph
maxpowers
7/24/17 7:44am
NuSkin
inertiaman
7/24/17 7:58am
You might look into the legality of that move. In California accrued vacation
mbs6
7/24/17 7:49am
NY is the same I believe.
Radioactive Coug
7/24/17 7:54am
Utah is not. Utah is ruthless toward employees.
BYUtka
7/24/17 7:57am
Well, there is this...
Radioactive Coug
7/24/17 8:06am
Also...
Radioactive Coug
7/24/17 8:07am
Based on those two things, while not being a lawyer, I would say that unless
Radioactive Coug
7/24/17 8:09am
Well played.
mbs6
7/24/17 8:27am
There is a basic concept that applies here: If you promise an employee something
DirtyWater
7/24/17 1:58pm
Two Choices: Get a new job or move from Utah. Better than government getting
CObluezone
7/24/17 9:31am
If only there were some mechanism for employees to all get together and tell the
joelvandyne
7/24/17 8:20am
There is. If enough people quit his employer, they'll change it back.
Skeptical Optimist
7/24/17 8:26am
Must be a tough job market for this type of job in Utah, then
Yoshinobu
7/24/17 8:31am
Seems like there ought to be a lower cost solution that doesn't require all
joelvandyne
7/24/17 8:34am
It's actually pretty funny that you think Unions are low cost and efficient
Skeptical Optimist
7/24/17 8:40am
Who said they need to go out and join a big national union with fat cat execs?
joelvandyne
7/24/17 8:45am
Those fat cat execs are part of the package. And to answer your other question,
Skeptical Optimist
7/24/17 10:05am
That's a great idea! Then they could band together and demand such riches that
Pimpin4Paradise
7/24/17 8:27am
Or they could make reasonable requests and not be political caricatures, yet
joelvandyne
7/24/17 8:32am
Sounds like you don't understand how unions function in reality.
Pimpin4Paradise
7/24/17 8:34am
RE: Sounds like you don't understand how unions function in reality.
joelvandyne
7/24/17 8:36am
Many industries aren't unionized. The ones that are have companies that find it
Pimpin4Paradise
7/24/17 8:52am
If a company can't remain viable without abusing their workforce you'll have a
joelvandyne
7/24/17 8:57am
Employees don't need to unionize in order to demand fair treatment. The free
Pimpin4Paradise
7/24/17 9:03am
Based on the OP it appears to be moving the opposite direction.
joelvandyne
7/24/17 9:14am
One random dude's opinion on an anonymous message board does not a case study
Pimpin4Paradise
7/24/17 9:18am
It's still one more than you've presented.
joelvandyne
7/24/17 9:21am
Switch careers? Nobody is advocating switching your career.
Conan
7/24/17 10:04am
For better or worse, governmental worker protections have been
TaiJuan
7/24/17 9:06am
Though when you look at California municipal pension woes it's hard to argue
TaiJuan
7/24/17 8:58am
This is exactly my point.
Pimpin4Paradise
7/24/17 8:59am
I'm not talking about going out and joining a big national union.
joelvandyne
7/24/17 9:03am
No, there isn't. I think that collective bargaining is bad for business and
Pimpin4Paradise
7/24/17 9:07am
I agree that everyone who is dissatisfied should express these concerns up the
TaiJuan
7/24/17 9:11am
This is the point i'm driving at. I don't think collective action or bargaining
joelvandyne
7/24/17 9:18am
This is already happening. That is the market at work. But it's not flashy, no
TaiJuan
7/24/17 9:23am
You are driving at nothing, then. Your rhetorical question seeking a "mechanism"
cheezedawg
7/24/17 9:29am
Sorry you can't think of a way to organize without a national behemoth behind
joelvandyne
7/24/17 9:36am
You really like to personalize your arguments. It's very manipulative. I once
TaiJuan
7/24/17 9:39am
FYI- the only person that has said "national behemoth" is you
cheezedawg
7/24/17 12:14pm
At my company where it's a seller's market for talent, the employees frequently
TaiJuan
7/24/17 8:48am
Gold. Well done.
macaroni
7/24/17 9:13am
And then charge themselves to be a part of said banded together employees
BluebloodOR
7/24/17 4:42pm
We just got 3 more days added
jxncoog
7/24/17 8:27am
At least they won't have to pay you accrued pto when they lay you off.
Dillinger
7/24/17 8:36am
When I was at GT it's one of the reasons I left.
RedlandsCoug
7/24/17 8:54am
We have a similar policy. I actually take 3 weeks when it used to be 2 allowed.
Y2010
7/24/17 8:56am
My company basically does this. People get waaaaay more vacation time than they
RalphWiggam
7/24/17 10:17am
"Hey Boss, I'm taking 4 weeks off starting tomorrow."
IGlowInTheDark
7/24/17 11:15am
Honeywell just started implementing this policy
ArchbishopMitty
7/24/17 1:28pm
Seriously though, they just don't want to have to pay accrued PTO when somebody quits or gets laid off.
Ragnar Danneskjold
7/24/17 2:40pm
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