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BYU's TE productivity over the past few years:

TheLoneCougar Adrielle?!

9/21/22 7:09am

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Skeptical Optimist

9/21/22 7:11am

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chilawcoug

9/21/22 7:12am

On pace for 78 TE receptions this year - significantly more than 2019, 2020, and

Skeptical Optimist

9/21/22 7:14am

And since Holker is making his decision based on 2022 games YTD, the numbers for

LeGrandBleu

9/21/22 8:39am

I will not annualize 2022. 25% of the season isn't a valid sample size. It is trending well, but that isn't enough

TheLoneCougar

9/21/22 7:18am

25% is every bit a valid sample size.

Hotlanta

9/21/22 7:21am

Then ‘22 stats are pointless to even list unless you also cut off other seasons at3 games. 1/4 is enough to project.

Soupie

9/21/22 7:22am

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chilawcoug

9/21/22 7:26am

You've certainly got a schtick today...

TheLoneCougar

9/21/22 7:29am

Harline was targeted a lot because our WR corps was really, really bad

Hotlanta

9/21/22 7:32am

So we shouldn't make any year over year comparisons because there are too many variables? Consider this for 2022,

TheLoneCougar

9/21/22 7:39am

You don't just ignore variables, lol. What kind of statistical analysis is that?

Hotlanta

9/21/22 7:42am

Ok, very fair point. If our TEs aren't our best weapons, then production is down correct?

TheLoneCougar

9/21/22 7:45am

Down from outliers? Yes. In line with recent norms? Also yes.

Hotlanta

9/21/22 7:52am

So, you're saying

akbarishiwatsu

9/21/22 9:55am

No, I have no idea what Holker wants.

TheLoneCougar

9/21/22 10:25am

I think that the offense is tailored around the talent

hasbeen

9/21/22 8:37am

Yes, no doubt about that and it should.

TheLoneCougar

9/21/22 9:03am

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chilawcoug

9/21/22 7:25am

I don't think those numbers show what you think they do.

shoganai

9/21/22 7:14am

I'm presenting the data, you choose what you want by looking at the numbers. I can take out Wake's stats completely

TheLoneCougar

9/21/22 7:20am

Yes, we're all certainly choosing to see what we want.

shoganai

9/21/22 7:22am

719yds, 666yds, 544yds per season with Wake's totals in the last 2 numbers.

TheLoneCougar

9/21/22 7:27am

So 2020 sucked for TEs? I'm confused now.

RGGeemer

9/21/22 7:37am

Just showing production levels have been declining. You have to define "sucks." I was quite pleased with 2020.

TheLoneCougar

9/21/22 7:40am

Not sure I see a huge difference in the numbers there. 2022 is on pace to be

RGGeemer

9/21/22 7:15am

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chilawcoug

9/21/22 7:16am

Right, I'm talking yards and TDs mostly.

RGGeemer

9/21/22 7:17am

2019 looks a whole more like 2021 than 2020. Maybe something about 2020 made it such an outlier……

zsmooth

9/21/22 7:15am

Hmm what could that be?

Soupie

9/21/22 7:17am

Oh it's pretty obvious we don't use the TE's as much

byukarl

9/21/22 7:17am

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chilawcoug

9/21/22 7:28am

Whatever style wins that's all I would want.

Schrodizzy

9/21/22 7:22am

100%

TheLoneCougar

9/21/22 7:29am

And to put those numbers in perspective:

Bert609

9/21/22 7:26am

This mindset ignores the rest of the WR talent we have and also assumes that the passing game is somehow struggling

molodyets

9/21/22 7:30am

I don't think anyone is arguing to take TE catches from the WR corp. We are getting hammered by <3ypc with our run game

Bert609

9/21/22 7:38am

If they’re open and we’re not passing to them then passing to them would be taking targets away from receivers.

molodyets

9/21/22 7:54am

If you are not getting enough

pappabear246

9/21/22 10:25am

When we analyzed our receiving corp, preseason, it was obvious that it was elite

AF_Puma

9/21/22 8:58am

The point of the data isn't to cast blame but show what is going on. Reception and yards are down from 2019 through 2021

TheLoneCougar

9/21/22 9:04am

I for one am SHOCKED that TE usage is down compared to a team where Talon Shumway was the best WR

molodyets

9/21/22 9:12am

And had an NFL TE

molodyets

9/21/22 9:12am

So what is the data telling you, honest question.

TheLoneCougar

9/21/22 9:38am

That usage the last 3 years is relatively flat and having a solid 6 deep at receiver

molodyets

9/21/22 9:44am

Yeah, it think that is fair and the likely conclusion. So it makes sense that Holker would like to transfer, imo.

TheLoneCougar

9/21/22 10:26am

Exactly this. Bushman was easily our best weapon in 2019. That hasn't been the

dfudge

9/21/22 11:22am

Masen Wake's stats should be included as he plays a hybrid TE role. Especially this year more TE than FB.

kimdaddy35

9/21/22 10:52am

I did include them originally, but it is just hard to determine YoY where his stats came from. Maybe PFF can parse that

TheLoneCougar

9/21/22 10:59am

In 2018 Holker was used as a FB a bunch as well. And he splits out wide. They're the same position group

molodyets

9/21/22 11:15am

I don't have 2018 data included. Again, to be fair each year is including true TE production, as much as is possible.

TheLoneCougar

9/21/22 11:41am

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