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Sep 21, 2022
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TheLoneCougar
Adrielle?!
Ok, very fair point. If our TEs aren't our best weapons, then production is down correct?
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BYU's TE productivity over the past few years:
TheLoneCougar
Adrielle?!
9/21/22 7:09am
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Skeptical Optimist
9/21/22 7:11am
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chilawcoug
9/21/22 7:12am
On pace for 78 TE receptions this year - significantly more than 2019, 2020, and
Skeptical Optimist
9/21/22 7:14am
And since Holker is making his decision based on 2022 games YTD, the numbers for
LeGrandBleu
9/21/22 8:39am
I will not annualize 2022. 25% of the season isn't a valid sample size. It is trending well, but that isn't enough
TheLoneCougar
9/21/22 7:18am
25% is every bit a valid sample size.
Hotlanta
9/21/22 7:21am
Then ‘22 stats are pointless to even list unless you also cut off other seasons at3 games. 1/4 is enough to project.
Soupie
9/21/22 7:22am
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chilawcoug
9/21/22 7:26am
You've certainly got a schtick today...
TheLoneCougar
9/21/22 7:29am
Harline was targeted a lot because our WR corps was really, really bad
Hotlanta
9/21/22 7:32am
So we shouldn't make any year over year comparisons because there are too many variables? Consider this for 2022,
TheLoneCougar
9/21/22 7:39am
You don't just ignore variables, lol. What kind of statistical analysis is that?
Hotlanta
9/21/22 7:42am
Ok, very fair point. If our TEs aren't our best weapons, then production is down correct?
TheLoneCougar
9/21/22 7:45am
Down from outliers? Yes. In line with recent norms? Also yes.
Hotlanta
9/21/22 7:52am
So, you're saying
akbarishiwatsu
9/21/22 9:55am
No, I have no idea what Holker wants.
TheLoneCougar
9/21/22 10:25am
I think that the offense is tailored around the talent
hasbeen
9/21/22 8:37am
Yes, no doubt about that and it should.
TheLoneCougar
9/21/22 9:03am
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chilawcoug
9/21/22 7:25am
I don't think those numbers show what you think they do.
shoganai
9/21/22 7:14am
I'm presenting the data, you choose what you want by looking at the numbers. I can take out Wake's stats completely
TheLoneCougar
9/21/22 7:20am
Yes, we're all certainly choosing to see what we want.
shoganai
9/21/22 7:22am
719yds, 666yds, 544yds per season with Wake's totals in the last 2 numbers.
TheLoneCougar
9/21/22 7:27am
So 2020 sucked for TEs? I'm confused now.
RGGeemer
9/21/22 7:37am
Just showing production levels have been declining. You have to define "sucks." I was quite pleased with 2020.
TheLoneCougar
9/21/22 7:40am
Not sure I see a huge difference in the numbers there. 2022 is on pace to be
RGGeemer
9/21/22 7:15am
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chilawcoug
9/21/22 7:16am
Right, I'm talking yards and TDs mostly.
RGGeemer
9/21/22 7:17am
2019 looks a whole more like 2021 than 2020. Maybe something about 2020 made it such an outlier……
zsmooth
9/21/22 7:15am
Hmm what could that be?
Soupie
9/21/22 7:17am
Oh it's pretty obvious we don't use the TE's as much
byukarl
9/21/22 7:17am
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chilawcoug
9/21/22 7:28am
Whatever style wins that's all I would want.
Schrodizzy
9/21/22 7:22am
100%
TheLoneCougar
9/21/22 7:29am
And to put those numbers in perspective:
Bert609
9/21/22 7:26am
This mindset ignores the rest of the WR talent we have and also assumes that the passing game is somehow struggling
molodyets
9/21/22 7:30am
I don't think anyone is arguing to take TE catches from the WR corp. We are getting hammered by <3ypc with our run game
Bert609
9/21/22 7:38am
If they’re open and we’re not passing to them then passing to them would be taking targets away from receivers.
molodyets
9/21/22 7:54am
If you are not getting enough
pappabear246
9/21/22 10:25am
When we analyzed our receiving corp, preseason, it was obvious that it was elite
AF_Puma
9/21/22 8:58am
The point of the data isn't to cast blame but show what is going on. Reception and yards are down from 2019 through 2021
TheLoneCougar
9/21/22 9:04am
I for one am SHOCKED that TE usage is down compared to a team where Talon Shumway was the best WR
molodyets
9/21/22 9:12am
And had an NFL TE
molodyets
9/21/22 9:12am
So what is the data telling you, honest question.
TheLoneCougar
9/21/22 9:38am
That usage the last 3 years is relatively flat and having a solid 6 deep at receiver
molodyets
9/21/22 9:44am
Yeah, it think that is fair and the likely conclusion. So it makes sense that Holker would like to transfer, imo.
TheLoneCougar
9/21/22 10:26am
Exactly this. Bushman was easily our best weapon in 2019. That hasn't been the
dfudge
9/21/22 11:22am
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