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Sep 18, 2014
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DoseOfReality
BYU would be below average in sports overall and academics in any P5 - where is
the discrimination?
I know BYU is better academically than Utah and the other Utah schools - but we forget that nationally BYU is not elite.
The BIG12-ish has the weakest academics among P5's.
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Question: Could BYU sue the P5 conferences for not letting them in? Obviously,
jholling
9/18/14 11:57am
What about all the G5 teams as well, do they have a case against the P5?
Heinz57
9/18/14 11:58am
Is there another G5 school with comparable following?
jholling
9/18/14 12:29pm
UCF..
Heinz57
9/18/14 12:31pm
Uconn has a big basketball following.
Daedalus17
9/18/14 8:07pm
Missing? A violation of law. What is the charge?
Thrill
9/18/14 11:58am
Sometimes lawyers get way to hung up on details. Try to Focus on the big picture
jholling
9/18/14 12:25pm
Not "hung up" on one word, just answering the question you asked.
Thrill
9/18/14 12:52pm
Anti trust laws
docrick
9/18/14 12:30pm
^^^^ DING DING DING ^^^^
nslscougar
9/18/14 9:42pm
With all due respect, I don't think that's the situation at all.
OstHoo
9/19/14 11:01am
Then we agree to disagree
docrick
9/19/14 11:16am
I don't know. I was thinking one of you creative lawyers would think of one.
jholling
9/18/14 1:51pm
RE: Missing? A violation of law. What is the charge?
mjohns8700
9/18/14 3:27pm
To answer your last question, yes
jbcoug
9/18/14 11:58am
Stuck in the fine print a bit?
jholling
9/18/14 12:28pm
You want to force a conference to take us in? In the free-market loving USA?
Everymancoug
9/18/14 12:04pm
I would go after bowl agreements and NY6 access if I was constructing the case.
Bluedomination
9/18/14 12:07pm
If the cartel ever decided to play only itself
Braves Fan
9/18/14 12:20pm
Yes but to potentially exclude a team like BYU from a playoff
after
being
'dweller
9/18/14 12:09pm
Anti-trust laws would require that the exclusion be based on a legal reason..
HarlemCoug
9/18/14 12:13pm
Were you really excluded from a conference? Didn't you guys bolt from the MWC..
OstHoo
9/18/14 12:22pm
Yes and No. We chose to bolt from the MWC of our own free will
'dweller
9/18/14 12:26pm
My response is more applicable if the p5 break away and form their own league
HarlemCoug
9/18/14 12:54pm
Free markets are still subject to antitrust legal agendas
nslscougar
9/18/14 9:45pm
They could say that BYU could join the MWC for access, but we could point to NDs
Bluedomination
9/18/14 12:06pm
ND negotiated that contract with the Orange Bowl, so the counter would be
Everymancoug
9/18/14 12:13pm
Yeah, but the big shebang, the "national championship" brand, and access to it,
'dweller
9/18/14 12:21pm
Win out, and you'll be in the Top 4, period.
OstHoo
9/18/14 12:25pm
I would like to believe that, but I don't. In any case, it's way to early to be
'dweller
9/18/14 12:33pm
Agree with most of that. I think we'll give you a game this weekend.
OstHoo
9/18/14 12:35pm
Worst of luck to ya in that regard
'dweller
9/18/14 12:37pm
Likewise!
OstHoo
9/18/14 12:44pm
I thought a big reason for the snub was the prohibition on Sunday games.
OstHoo
9/18/14 12:19pm
But that is "religious intolerance."
OptimisTIC
9/18/14 12:25pm
Rejection of special priviledge does not equal "religious intolerance."
OstHoo
9/18/14 12:30pm
In this case, that is exactly what it is.
OptimisTIC
9/18/14 12:59pm
In other words, you are asking for special priviledge. No conference wants...
OstHoo
9/18/14 1:23pm
Based on historical context we do have the right to request special circumstance
nslscougar
9/18/14 9:48pm
Nice assertion - based on what? You may have a right to request, but no one...
OstHoo
9/19/14 11:02am
There is the concept of "unfair exclusion." Lawsuits are won on it often.
OptimisTIC
9/18/14 12:23pm
Who would you sue for unfair exclusion?
Daedalus17
9/18/14 8:42pm
Thanks for the responses. Interesting discussion.
jholling
9/18/14 12:27pm
BYU would be below average in sports overall and academics in any P5 - where is
DoseOfReality
9/18/14 12:44pm
I don't think that's true.
'dweller
9/18/14 12:46pm
US News is the most used ranking, and ranks BYU higher than others.
DoseOfReality
9/18/14 1:10pm
You said "sports overall," and then you omitted sports in general. What gives?
'dweller
9/18/14 1:14pm
3 conferences where BYU is below average, 1 where BYU is average, 1 where BYU is
DoseOfReality
9/18/14 1:34pm
Name the three conferences where BYU is below average. You only named two:
'dweller
9/18/14 1:42pm
...(crickets)
'dweller
9/18/14 2:48pm
That is simply bunk, all of it
docrick
9/18/14 12:56pm
I don't think you know what that word means. (elite)
DoseOfReality
9/18/14 1:11pm
Really? That's all you got? You need a dose of something because
docrick
9/18/14 1:14pm
It's a generally accepted truth that anyone who has a moniker such as
'dweller
9/18/14 1:17pm
I think I am being fair, being unrealistic doesn't help anything.
DoseOfReality
9/18/14 1:27pm
You're factually wrong.
'dweller
9/18/14 1:32pm
While any ranking system is going to be somewhat arbitrary, Capital One Cup
'dweller
9/18/14 2:15pm
WCC
DoseOfReality
9/18/14 2:28pm
yewt
'dweller
9/18/14 2:41pm
Are you serious?? BYU more than competes in virtually every measure...
bluefish
9/18/14 6:44pm
I think it's important to realize that now that missionaries will go straight to
HarlemCoug
9/18/14 8:18pm
no
DoseOfReality
9/18/14 12:37pm
That is quite the informative feedback
jholling
9/18/14 2:03pm
Wrong analysis. No employment or protected class issue here. May be anti-trust.
boscatar
9/18/14 12:38pm
Cartel
FMCougar
9/18/14 1:31pm
I have said for a long time that I think they can
Y05
9/18/14 2:42pm
Quick answer is no...see inside for reasons
jsjohnson1278
9/18/14 3:34pm
How does bowls independence of NCAA affect anything?
Braves Fan
9/18/14 4:10pm
Because they can choose who they want to participate
jsjohnson1278
9/19/14 1:13am
An individual bowl, like an individual conference, has freedom of association
Braves Fan
9/19/14 9:06am
"No Homers allowed!"
digitalayon
9/18/14 4:13pm
Sure, if they want to be a laughing stock
cougarnerd
9/18/14 4:49pm
I think they may be able to make an argument in a year or two....
rckrunner
9/18/14 5:20pm
Definitely yes on antitrust law. Religious discrimination, probably no proof...
bluefish
9/18/14 6:46pm
that would be kind of embarrassing
icecougar
9/18/14 7:35pm
Theres probably an antitrust argument that could work, but arguing
SaltLakeCoug
9/18/14 10:02pm
BYU has nobody to blame for not being in a P5
MatthiasG
9/18/14 10:03pm
We'd be so hated if it worked out that way it wouldn't be worth it.
Harrison0Yfan
9/18/14 10:13pm
There is a possibility you're missing something.
MatthiasG
9/19/14 1:20am
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