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Oct 31, 2014
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lawboy
I just want it to happen so the ALUFs have a mental implosion over it
Otherwise, I really do not see it as the thing the Church needs to do. BYU sports don't need tithes to be propped up.
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Money spent on City Creek, Cattle Ranches in FL, Hi-rise in Philly or BYU Fball
Iman23
10/31/14 12:17pm
I don't think I would put BYU Football in the same category as any of those
workindev
10/31/14 12:18pm
Why not? PR is PR.
kingpin2k
11/1/14 10:00am
3 of those are appreciating investments
BlueFrog
10/31/14 12:20pm
BYU Athletics is a high risk high reward investment. gotta have a little of that
CougarinOZ
10/31/14 12:22pm
Check: high risk, low financial reward...
CATXCoug
10/31/14 6:02pm
No way was "Citycreek is 5th" the motto for building that place.
Zach Morris
10/31/14 12:22pm
AND they probably didn't rely on JUST LDS advisors to develop it...
kotacoug
10/31/14 1:02pm
First of all, three of those were paid from the "for profit" arm of the Church
Solomon Levi
10/31/14 12:27pm
This is the common argument. But where is the common denominator for all of the
Zach Morris
10/31/14 12:32pm
False. Many of the Church's assets came from donations other than Tithing.
BYU-Ite
10/31/14 12:53pm
All originated as chariable contributions, though. Whether those contributions
BearsandBulls
10/31/14 1:38pm
Not true.
BYU-Ite
10/31/14 1:56pm
yes, but one of the reasons BYU has athletics is to be a missionary tool
Ulysses14
10/31/14 2:27pm
I'm just not buying the "BYU football is a missionary tool" line.
BearsandBulls
10/31/14 2:35pm
do you have numbers to back that up, I'm interested to see how it stacks up
kotacoug
10/31/14 3:08pm
No idea. But at least it's a talking point w/ non-members here in TX. I don't
Ulysses14
10/31/14 4:35pm
If that's the case there should be no problem putting a little
kotacoug
10/31/14 2:35pm
All donations to the church are not "tithing". There absolutely are donations
ByuMba90
10/31/14 12:55pm
same difference, tithing/donations.... the point is that money was given
kotacoug
10/31/14 12:58pm
If it's the "same difference" why is tithing not federally-taxed and City Creek,
ByuMba90
10/31/14 1:13pm
Is a 'donation' on the donation slip taxed differently than 'tithing'
kotacoug
10/31/14 1:42pm
Actually, all donations on the donation slip are not tax deductible
BYU-Ite
10/31/14 2:02pm
Which are not tax deductible? Which funds does the church have to pay taxes on
kotacoug
10/31/14 2:22pm
If you use the "Other" line on the donation slip
BYU-Ite
10/31/14 2:46pm
well my point still stands, BYUMBA90 doesn't know what he is talking about.
kotacoug
10/31/14 3:05pm
I don't attach strings to my donations. Every last penny I donate whether
kotacoug
10/31/14 2:39pm
Really? You've never paid to have a flag put on your lawn?
BYU-Ite
10/31/14 2:46pm
what are you talking about? I'm talking about money donated to the
kotacoug
10/31/14 2:57pm
We are talking about the same thing
BYU-Ite
10/31/14 3:01pm
I think we've beat this thing to death
kotacoug
10/31/14 3:10pm
The same way Texas, ND, Ohio St, etc. recoups its investment
Ulysses14
10/31/14 2:29pm
Where's your proof?
kingpin2k
11/1/14 10:00am
Pull a title report
Solomon Levi
11/1/14 11:53am
I think they're at a pretty good place w/ regards to athletics ROI
Linescratcher
10/31/14 12:33pm
Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, heal the sick, and preach the Word.
Frenemy59
10/31/14 12:41pm
Totally agree. BUT if we can build malls we can improve BYU football right?
Zach Morris
10/31/14 12:43pm
Absolutely.
Frenemy59
10/31/14 12:52pm
Just be clear that in General Confernence, when a financial report is given....
ByuMba90
10/31/14 1:02pm
Not disagreeing...
Frenemy59
10/31/14 1:29pm
I think your last conversation should go like this . . .
BYU-Ite
10/31/14 2:06pm
what evidence do you have they're self sustaining?
laredog
10/31/14 3:12pm
but do you have evidence of that?
Ulysses14
10/31/14 4:39pm
"BYU Athletics is self-sustaining and receives no tithing or tax dollars to
HarlemCoug
10/31/14 10:12pm
That's not actually true,
califcougar
10/31/14 3:59pm
RE: Just be clear that in General Confernence, when a financial report is
Andyd
11/1/14 9:56am
Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, heal the sick, preach the word. . . .
squidmark
10/31/14 3:16pm
Just a side note
WhiteMud
11/1/14 7:03am
Would a Ute fan agree to building a BYU-Africa?
HawkeyeCoug
11/1/14 3:30pm
I just want it to happen so the ALUFs have a mental implosion over it
lawboy
10/31/14 12:54pm
I'm doing EVERYTHING I CAN TO RESIST THE TEMPTATION.
Frenemy59
10/31/14 12:57pm
but every other program at BYU needs to be propped up by tithes...
kotacoug
10/31/14 1:01pm
When you get down to brass tacks...
Frenemy59
10/31/14 1:31pm
"What exactly would you do with more money?" Pay a P5 conference to take BYU???
rambo
10/31/14 2:22pm
I think bribery is looked down upon at the Y
Frenemy59
10/31/14 10:35pm
It is, but I'm not talking about a bribe - I'm talking about an open business
rambo
11/1/14 11:53am
It wouldn't surprise me if the Philly high rise was a stipulation given by the
bretonnia
11/1/14 8:18am
You'll know BYU football is really failing when...
panguitch
10/31/14 2:15pm
Very true. It's not a $$$ problem, it's an honor-code-limits-the-recruiti ng-pool
Ulysses14
10/31/14 2:38pm
The sad thing IMHO is that, notwithstanding the great, great PR that the Church
Rocketman
10/31/14 7:26pm
City creek bleeds millions every year.
SaltLakeCoug
10/31/14 7:43pm
Whatever it takes
Cougrrrs Roll
11/1/14 1:12am
Spending money on a new stadium isn't as good of as an investment as
conetah
11/1/14 7:40am
I don't remember the last time I heard that BYU football was a missionary tool
conetah
11/1/14 7:43am
Only people I hear that from are Ute fans
WhiteMud
11/1/14 9:18am
Or they could just ramp up efforts to build an athletic dept. endowment.
bretonnia
11/1/14 8:22am
Totally agreed - if you think money helps (like I do) then join with me and
HarlemCoug
11/1/14 8:38am
Would rather see them build a BYU-Africa
HawkeyeCoug
11/1/14 3:13pm
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