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Abe Froman

Previous username: Rise and Shout
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Healthcare is so broken it just may drag the whole country down with it

Jersey hunter Playmaker

2/12/16 5:25pm

Insurance has helped ruin healthcare. It's going to happen to dental care soon

delux_247

2/12/16 5:31pm

People can't figure out that prosperity is based on commandments

OU Cougar

2/12/16 5:32pm

Questions...

Cougarfan777

2/12/16 5:37pm

Free medicaid ticks me off. Its unreal what some people will come to the urgent

cougaman

2/12/16 7:41pm

The ER costs so much because the 24 hour services that are provided there are

Virginia Ute

2/12/16 7:46pm

We have to have tough conversations about beginning- and end-of-life care.

Finngirl

2/12/16 5:40pm

We do not want to model Canada. Served my mission there, the standard of care is

delux_247

2/12/16 5:47pm

Most Canadians I know like that having free hc.

Finngirl

2/12/16 5:49pm

"Free." Lol

mulletYno

2/12/16 5:54pm

I should say single payer like Canada is not the solution.

delux_247

2/12/16 5:56pm

Free HC bahaha

Heinz57

2/12/16 6:09pm

you keep using that word free....

docrick

2/12/16 6:27pm

They know it's not free. Why do we take such pride in the US over paying not

IGlowInTheDark

2/12/16 7:58pm

It's the worst example of a "free- market" yet some people think that is what it is.

Finngirl

2/12/16 8:03pm

We love it? Since when?

messi

2/16/16 11:39am

Wait- how does giving people "free" healthcare make them take responsibility for

cheezedawg

2/12/16 7:07pm

By making them wait a year for a knee replacement because they are too fat.

Finngirl

2/12/16 8:04pm

I work in a big hospital on the border from Canada.

Virginia Ute

2/12/16 7:48pm

"Free" as in not pay-as-you-go; funded through taxes.

Finngirl

2/12/16 8:02pm

You still keep using the word free

docrick

2/12/16 11:33pm

The rest of us will continue the conversation, understanding what it means in this context,

Finngirl

2/13/16 9:41am

What context?

Heinz57

2/13/16 11:36am

How unintelligent

docrick

2/13/16 3:11pm

I think you're hung up on an irrelevant argument because you don't have a good

Dillinger

2/13/16 4:31pm

Lol I'm a doctor that lives this stuff everyday

docrick

2/13/16 10:33pm

So why do you keep harping on the "free" thing. Everyone knows it's not

Dillinger

2/13/16 10:36pm

If you are following the thread you'll see that my free remark

docrick

2/13/16 10:57pm

Same here, I was in Canada for 6 months and everyone I talked to thought

Dillinger

2/13/16 10:24am

What a concept!

Finngirl

2/16/16 11:22am

Go spend a week observing what happens in a VA setting (that's government run HC

docrick

2/16/16 11:29am

My Canadian wife and her relatives disagree. They say it's great.

84 Grad

2/12/16 5:50pm

Of course they do. I haven't met many Canadians who don't love their "free"

delux_247

2/12/16 5:57pm

I agree with you for the most part; though the overhead in the US and the fact

84 Grad

2/12/16 6:04pm

Heck if you don't have a catastrophic problem in the US you don't even "need"

docrick

2/12/16 6:34pm

It's sad that it's even a concern. Who else in the world fears getting ill or...

IGlowInTheDark

2/12/16 8:13pm

My wife is also Canadian. It's great for primary care. Otherwise, it sucks.

P-townCoug

2/12/16 6:40pm

This is the key point

Busiturtle

2/13/16 9:07am

This is what people say about many HMOs; Kaiser for one.

Finngirl

2/13/16 9:41am

I did some rotations at 2 different Kaiser facilities in the Bay area....

docrick

2/16/16 11:45am

Have they encountered a life threatening health care problem

docrick

2/12/16 6:31pm

My wife's father has heart problems and he says he has had no problems

84 Grad

2/12/16 6:39pm

Well you really need to define heart problems

docrick

2/12/16 6:45pm

bypass surgery

84 Grad

2/12/16 8:22pm

Well it happens in Canada for sure

docrick

2/12/16 11:35pm

People say this and yet tall to people who actually live there and they laugh at the suggestion it happens

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2/13/16 12:23pm

That is complete baloney

docrick

2/15/16 9:00am

Not sure why this is an argument for how great american health care is.

Dillinger

2/15/16 9:06am

You know you seem to have a problem with how these conversations go

docrick

2/15/16 9:34am

My Canadian relatives come to the U.S. for major issues.

Gentleman Stan

2/12/16 6:57pm

My Canadian uncle gets most of his healthcare in the United States

kC Cougar

2/13/16 8:31am

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Abe Froman

2/12/16 6:00pm

Let me shop across 50 states

Heinz57

2/12/16 6:08pm

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Abe Froman

2/12/16 7:41pm

WE shouldn't have to talk about my life. Government shouldn't be deciding if I

Mister P

2/12/16 7:20pm

The "we" part is the whole problem. "We" wouldn't need to discuss anything at

Freddie Cougar

2/12/16 7:23pm

Employer covered insurance has ruined things. Your friend is exactly

P-townCoug

2/12/16 5:40pm

Inserting a 3rd party...

BYU'01

2/12/16 6:01pm

It will never change until there is price competition.

jkccoug

2/12/16 6:23pm

1. Doctors should be paid for keeping people healthy

Wolvercougs

2/12/16 8:10pm

This paying doctors to "keep people healthy" sounds nice but doesn't make sense realistically. It would only apply to

Slim

2/12/16 8:27pm

Exactly. Lifestyle choices and genetics are the primary determinants of health

Rogue Gunner

2/12/16 8:54pm

Not to mention noncompliance. Seriously, the whole concept just proves how

P-townCoug

2/12/16 9:21pm

Doctors' pay is not the problem. Pharma, technical costs, and inpatient costs

diluigifan

2/12/16 8:57pm

Yea, the minute my pay is dictated by who I keep healthy i quit.

IGlowInTheDark

2/12/16 9:12pm

teachers feel the same way. Merit pay sucks in certain professions

spugeddy24

2/15/16 11:01am

overly simplistic and idealist and ridiculous view

scottpete

2/13/16 5:46am

The mentality extends beyond health care

blucoug18

2/12/16 7:10pm

I work for a T&D contractor and this is absolutely true

shatter2

2/12/16 7:30pm

The mentality comes from fear of lawsuits and publicity hogging politicians

Freddie Cougar

2/12/16 7:34pm

And consultants and lobbyists

blucoug18

2/12/16 7:52pm

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