Jaren plays so well against tough, P5 teams.

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Sep 27, 2022
10:44:04am

diluigifan All-American

Jaren plays so well against tough, P5 teams.

His completion percentage is always fantastic. His decisions are almost always sound.

Beck played well against quality P5 opponents his senior year (with the exception of AZ. Still bitter we lost that game). The Vegas Bowl against Oregon was a riot. The win at TCU was incredible. Prior to his senior year, not so much.

Max struggled against good teams throughout his career (TCU, Utah among others).

Zach didn't play many quality opponents his senior year. He was fine against Coastal Carolina, but the offense could never get on the field with Tuiaki's disastrous defensive scheme in that game.

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Hall is the best BYU QB since Detmer.

macdizzle

9/27/22 10:12am

Now that it seems he has mastered the deep ball, I could agree.

SausageKing

9/27/22 10:15am

His deep ball has been a thing of beauty. Am I remembering correctly that Zach's

diluigifan

9/27/22 10:49am

Wait - I thought the coaches last year were having him throw it short on purpose

crack

9/27/22 2:45pm

Not a large enough sample yet to make such a declaration.

Acorn

9/27/22 10:16am

I hear you. I'm not saying he's had the best career of any QB in the last 30

macdizzle

9/27/22 10:17am

Agreed

FatherOFive

9/27/22 4:14pm

Wow. That's a bold statement.

Ham

9/27/22 10:18am

He is fantastic. The two QB years that rival this year's version of Jaren are

diluigifan

9/27/22 10:19am

Sark's 96 year too. But it's probably those 4 stretches that are the best.

macdizzle

9/27/22 10:21am

Yes. You are correct.

diluigifan

9/27/22 10:36am

If John Beck had this receiving core.. that would have Been incredible

Julius Pepperwood

9/27/22 10:43am

True. Our receiving core is fantastic right now.

diluigifan

9/27/22 10:47am

Todd Watkins?

kooogar

9/27/22 1:41pm

2005 not 2006

gmj81

9/27/22 2:30pm

Dropkins?

Poncho punch

9/27/22 2:43pm

He very well could be, but I'll wait until he is completely done at BYU before

Schrodizzy

9/27/22 10:20am

i still don't have the confidence in him that I had with Wilson, Max, Beck (Sr. yr) or Sark. By the end of the year

lightmann

9/27/22 10:30am

Jaren plays so well against tough, P5 teams.

diluigifan

9/27/22 10:44am

This is a good point…I never felt confident with Zach in Big games, tbh

Back2Blue

9/27/22 12:24pm

Hall was good but I never really thought he was on the level of '96 Sark or '06 Beck. He had a better career though

Non-mo Coug

9/27/22 10:50am

He was better in some games than others, but he never had "bad" games. He played with confidence all of the time.

lightmann

9/27/22 12:19pm

Which Hall are you talking about? Max had a horrible Utah game.

CougaRR4L

9/27/22 12:27pm

In 2008, but made the big plays to win in 2007 and 2009

Polemic

9/27/22 12:36pm

Loved him and he was fantastic but "never" had bad games is not true.

CougaRR4L

9/27/22 12:44pm

Change "never" to "rarely."

lightmann

9/27/22 3:25pm

I’ve heard some complain that he doesn’t read the RPO well

Spocougar

9/27/22 10:31am

I agree. He hasn’t made the right reads in the RPO this year for whatever reason. AROD has said as much.

9/27/22 12:42pm

Pitches? Do you mean from the speed option or RPO? RPO usually involves a hand off or a pull back to a pass.

JohnnyComeLately

9/27/22 12:45pm

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chilawcoug

9/27/22 12:54pm

The illegal receiver down field call in the WY game would be an example.

BYUHgrad

9/27/22 6:12pm

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chilawcoug

9/27/22 6:16pm

I'd rank him behind Romney but ahead of Wilson

ryebrye

9/27/22 10:32am

Love Jaren, but that's disrespectful.

Lifer

9/27/22 10:44am

He's definitely a great game manager. Don't jump on me for using that term.

mudpupper

9/27/22 10:56am

Wilson seemed faster in 2020 than Jaren is now

arizonacougarfan

9/27/22 4:27pm

IMO WIlson and Beck were two best. Hall has a chance to be as good or better

JoeExotic

9/27/22 11:00am

I’m realizing it is so hard to compare QBs and RBs at BYU across generations

9/27/22 11:00am

Luke Staley Junior year. Best RB season in BYU history. Electric any time he

diluigifan

9/27/22 11:07am

Agreed. Who is the most talented running back? That one I struggle to answer.

9/27/22 11:08am

RE: Agreed. Who is the most talented running back? That one I struggle to

diluigifan

9/27/22 11:12am

Most electric, I agree. Best season by a BYU RB? I will Tyler from last year.

dfudge

9/27/22 4:36pm

We will agree to disagree here. Doak Walker winning season. 8 yds per carry.

diluigifan

9/27/22 9:57pm

Not enough info. Right now, Beck, Wilson, Sark, Doman would all have my trust

Gorum the Old

9/27/22 11:04am

Doman? Are you kidding me? He was one of our worst.

fruitless

9/27/22 11:08am

14-2 as a starter including 2-0 vs Utah. Put up great numbers and was even

Polemic

9/27/22 12:29pm

RE: 14-2 as a starter including 2-0 vs Utah. Put up great numbers and was even

fruitless

9/27/22 2:19pm

He still has a lot to prove in my book . . . jury is very much out

fruitless

9/27/22 11:07am

Hall has been so awesome - I don't know if he is the best since Detmer but he

richvan

9/27/22 11:32am

I wouldnt compare Hall to Detmer, I think he is a better, more athletic version of Senior Year John Beck.

JohnnyComeLately

9/27/22 11:53am

Agreed. Hopefully we as fans can appreciate what we're witnessing Jaren do

9/27/22 12:01pm

He’s more athletic. He’s not a better passer.

mvtoro

9/27/22 12:09pm

He is not far off actually. Career wise Beck has a 141.3 passer rating, Hall has a 158.7. Beck's Senior Year was 169.1

JohnnyComeLately

9/27/22 12:21pm

All true. Again, I’m not trying to diminish Hall, and the stats show he’s doing great things. There’s nothing wrong with

mvtoro

9/27/22 1:14pm

That's debatable. Jaren has been completing 71.5% of his passes this year and

9/27/22 12:22pm

Of course it’s debatable. We’re here debating it. I’m not saying Jaren isn’t great or even that his stats aren’t better.

mvtoro

9/27/22 12:50pm

Ah yes, the ole eye test.

JohnnyComeLately

9/27/22 12:57pm

I mean, you can make fun of it, but literally anyone who evaluates players professionally can see the difference between

mvtoro

9/27/22 1:24pm

Sound good, bro. No one is saying they are the same. In case you missed the OP he was comparing Hall to Detmer.

JohnnyComeLately

9/27/22 4:00pm

I didn’t make an appeal to authority. I just explained where I’ve watched them and specifically said you *don’t* have

mvtoro

9/27/22 5:08pm

I would bet that Jaren Hall gets drafted similar to where Beck was drafted, but that he will have a better career.

JohnnyComeLately

9/27/22 6:25pm

Bro, you keep adding bonus arguments that I haven’t touched. “Better passer”. I already said Hall is more athletic. And

mvtoro

9/27/22 6:44pm

It is debatable, or at least comparable. Statistically he has a better completion percentage, fewer interceptions.

JohnnyComeLately

9/27/22 6:48pm

Board name checks out

fredetteaboutit13

9/27/22 2:22pm

Yeah, ironically I played all through highschool with JB in Mesa, but moved to Spanish Fork where I got to see Hall in

mvtoro

9/27/22 3:23pm

McMahon is still by far the best college QB I have ever seen play

mkscougar

9/27/22 12:36pm

Wish I could have had that privilege. I’m Walsh on.

9/27/22 12:51pm

Yep. Young, Sark, Detmer, Hall, Hall were all excellent. Mac and Beck were best

9/27/22 2:14pm

Steve Young as a senior was among the best.

lightmann

9/27/22 3:31pm

He was, but in my 40 years of following BYU, McMahon was #1 and Beck #2 imo

9/27/22 3:46pm

Such a microcosm of CB...an unsolicited overreaction.

Elvis

9/27/22 1:00pm

Detmer threw a lot of picks, but it didn’t take

Hyrum in Houston

9/27/22 1:16pm

Wilson was better

Blue2thebone

9/27/22 1:27pm

Way back in 2021 we had a better QB

Hill4Heisman

9/27/22 1:35pm

Hall might be the best at making the safest place, but that’s different

9/27/22 1:42pm

I'm more confident in Hall taking care of the ball than any past QB.

9/27/22 1:54pm

Still a little early for that.

BleedCougarBlue2

9/27/22 2:14pm

Wilson was the #2 pick in the NFL draft.

ThatBYUFan

9/27/22 2:16pm

Steve Young would have been #1, but he went USFL, so your point is correct

TheRowdy

9/27/22 2:17pm

Still think Wilson had better field vision and release but he’s dang good for sure!

NonmormonYfan89

9/27/22 4:21pm

Jaren is the best leader I would say

arizonacougarfan

9/27/22 4:29pm

He’s certainly my favorite

9/27/22 4:51pm

I don’t know

provofan

9/27/22 5:00pm

RE: Hall is the best BYU QB since Detmer.

ninja math

9/27/22 5:39pm

He’s been very good but Sark was incredible and gets overlooked IMO

USMCdad

9/27/22 6:58pm

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