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May 20, 2024
11:02:45am

ImRonBurgundy? Contributor

Growing alfalfa and selling it to China has to stop.

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ImRonBurgundy?

Previous username: CounselingCoug
Bio page: ImRonBurgundy?
Joined: Apr 11, 2012
Last login: Jun 2, 2024
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Latest KSL article on Great Salt Lake and Salton Sea

BYUheaven

May 20, 10:32am

It both is and isn't manmade. Throughout history the River has created a lake there from time to time. Yes the most

scall

May 20, 10:37am

Even so can we still panic? Even if it’s just a little bit?

Ojiisan

May 20, 10:40am

Just look at the flows into Powell, nothing compared to last year. Please panic away.

scall

May 20, 10:43am

So basically lake Powell will dry up by the end of summer. That will work

Ojiisan

May 20, 11:40am

And what is there can't be pumped correctly or some other panicky reason. Please add that to the hysteria.

scall

May 20, 11:48am

Been curious about that. Is the snowpack still really high, or is a lot of it

Acorn

May 20, 11:48am

Precipitation totals are only half the battle. The other being water usage.

Jstak17

May 20, 10:59am

Growing alfalfa and selling it to China has to stop.

May 20, 11:02am

If you want to truly save the GSL, stop using Bear River water for crops.

mudpupper

May 20, 11:26am

Growing crops on a large scale that require manual watering in a desert with

NYC and Japan

May 20, 11:52am

What about Mid East countries buying land and H2O in AZ then shipping products

May 20, 12:41pm

RE: What about Mid East countries buying land and H2O in AZ then shipping

Schultz is back

May 20, 12:50pm

This is a fallacy.

trueblue04

May 20, 10:10pm

Do tell. Here is one article that discusses Utah alfalfa going to China.

May 20, 10:21pm

I edited my post to add the details I've been meaning to look up for a while.

trueblue04

May 20, 10:40pm

Also, alfalfa exports are not a significant fraction

trueblue04

May 20, 10:51pm

Residential use is a very small part of overall use. Agriculture and mainly hay

May 20, 11:02pm

By far the biggest factor is drought. Not population growth. Also this

May 20, 11:06pm

Well if drought is the biggest cause, doesn't it mean usage needs to be reduced

Acorn

May 21, 6:28am

Yes, we need to reduce usage. I'm making the argument that reducing residential

May 21, 7:25am

I meant to respond to the other guy who was emphasizing drought...

Acorn

May 21, 8:08am

I think you’re right as to why the lake has declined in the last 20 years. But

Jstak17

May 21, 2:27am

The thing I don't like about the agriculture argument is it seems like

Acorn

May 21, 6:33am

Up or down, 80% of Utah's H2O goes to agriculture and 65% of cropland is hay

Parker Schnabel

May 20, 10:51pm

Dang it, I should try reading some of the other responses before typing out mine

Jstak17

May 21, 2:19am

Less than a tenth of Utah's hay is exported, and closer to 5% goes to China.

trueblue04

May 21, 11:17am

2022 SLT story says about 30% is exported. About 66% of that goes to China.

Parker Schnabel

May 21, 3:51pm

30% is by value. Export by volume is 10%.

trueblue04

May 22, 7:03pm

80% of the usable water in Utah goes to agriculture. (Reference linked below)

Jstak17

May 21, 2:18am

Grow alfalfa so we can eat cow. Cycle of life

Idacoug

May 20, 11:22am

Yes! In the snake river valley.

Jstak17

May 20, 11:29am

Grow alfalfa and sell it to China...bad.

Parker Schnabel

May 20, 1:18pm

I’ll never forget. Late 1990’s. Driving late, listening to Chris Norton (Phil

Idacoug

May 20, 10:59am

He never did let his speech impediment slow down his lifestyle.

Jstak17

May 20, 11:09am

Seems like the Owens Lake and Owens River Valley would be a better comparison

Acorn

May 20, 11:15am

Dumb comparison.

SingleStrapBackpack

May 20, 11:49am

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