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Jan 10, 2017
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HoustonCougar
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"We don't vaccinate until they're required to before missions" is an actual
quote I heard a few years ago. SMH at these types.
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oh man.
riboflavin
1/10/17 12:14pm
RE: oh man.
DapperDan
1/10/17 12:18pm
Those people are despicable.
AZcougLawyer
1/10/17 12:20pm
Couldn't agree more about anti-vaxxers
DapperDan
1/10/17 12:21pm
you're right lets hate/ridicule people that think differently than us.
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 12:24pm
It's more about ridiculing stupid people
OneUpper
1/10/17 12:29pm
While it's thinking differently, there is OVERWHELMING evidence to support
RyneK
1/10/17 12:29pm
The world was a much better place with Polio.
PharmD
1/10/17 12:31pm
at the risk of being crucified on CB, as well as starting a huge argument
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 12:38pm
Didn't the vaccine autism guy confess that he falsified his research?
OneUpper
1/10/17 12:41pm
Yep
jaromp
1/10/17 12:46pm
oh was the article I posted written by Andrew Wakefield?
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 12:58pm
Some dude's blog is definitely not worth my time.
OneUpper
1/10/17 12:59pm
ahhh . gotcha. ok then. Believe whatever you choose to believe.
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 1:01pm
I'm happy to learn things from peer-reviewed academic journals. I don't care
OneUpper
1/10/17 1:03pm
A blog is not the place to learn about that kind of stuff.
PharmD
1/10/17 1:04pm
interesting, so the place someone voices their thoughts make them invalid?
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 1:14pm
Well, in this case, the content really helps make it invalid.
DapperDan
1/10/17 1:16pm
good so you read it!?
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 1:21pm
Yes. He's an angry father desperate for someone to blame is very bad at
DapperDan
1/10/17 1:48pm
Boom
El Fuego
1/10/17 1:50pm
Seriously. The guy demonstrates a shocking lack of understanding of how scientific studies work and what they are used
jaromp
1/10/17 2:04pm
I think you don't know what quotation marks mean when you're quoting someone...
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 2:28pm
Here is the trouble with conducting a study like he suggests
StalwartBraveTrue
1/11/17 12:52am
totally. that could be an issue. doesnt mean it is.
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 2:50pm
In his case, it's exactly what it seems to be.
DapperDan
1/10/17 3:10pm
Agreed, but he loses validity when he is hypocritical in his approach.
StalwartBraveTrue
1/11/17 12:57am
Just because you have thoughts doesn't make them valid
OneUpper
1/10/17 1:17pm
Has it occurred to you that this is not a new topic for many of us and that we
Byron McNertney
1/10/17 1:13pm
haha. whats so amazing is your clear desire to not want to read someone else's
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 1:16pm
Not sure if trolling or just doubling down
OneUpper
1/10/17 1:18pm
I thought it was a sincere point..
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 1:22pm
Doubling down then
OneUpper
1/10/17 1:24pm
Or maybe it's just a proper application of the GIGO principle
Yoshinobu
1/10/17 1:24pm
lol. anti-vaxxer condescendingly telling others to believe what they want to believe without getting educated. Now you
byuTX
1/10/17 1:31pm
Andrew Wakefield's study is what the whole Autism - vaccine connection is based on, so...
jaromp
1/10/17 1:02pm
is it though?
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 1:23pm
Uh, yeah, he even mentions it in that blog post you posted
jaromp
1/10/17 2:13pm
Good question. Is there any significant evidence that prior to Wakefield
StalwartBraveTrue
1/11/17 1:02am
The flat earth people are fighting this guy for the right to be more wrong
DapperDan
1/10/17 12:41pm
I honestly only care about one thing. Are less people dying?
RyneK
1/10/17 12:42pm
I agree. Vaccinations are good in general
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 12:49pm
If those potential people could opt out, then whatever, but the problem is you
RyneK
1/10/17 12:51pm
I think if you choose to not vaccinate your kids you also understand that if
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 1:00pm
Actually if you choose not to vaccinate your kid you are so oblivious to the
OneUpper
1/10/17 1:02pm
But people don't follow it, as has been shown by the recent measles outbreaks
DapperDan
1/10/17 1:03pm
We're not talking about the common cold or even the slightly less common flu.
RyneK
1/10/17 1:11pm
you're absolutely right.
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 1:20pm
That's the crazy part - every person is a part of the general population
RyneK
1/10/17 1:25pm
What's happening here is likely confirmation bias
DapperDan
1/10/17 1:29pm
Not to mention the 100 million other things your kid interacts with
StalwartBraveTrue
1/11/17 1:10am
You generally don't know you are contageous until it is waaaaayyyyyy to late
rmreitz
1/11/17 2:15pm
Or they are looking for an explanation for misfortune and misappropriate blame.
OneUpper
1/10/17 12:52pm
ahhh. or maybe they're looking into something that has some red flags..
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 12:59pm
I think you need a cookie. You'd prefer almond milk with that, right?
OneUpper
1/10/17 1:00pm
hahah. good one.....
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 1:02pm
Maybe a nap is in order as well.
OneUpper
1/10/17 1:03pm
sounds like you're really good at prescribing things for people..
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 1:05pm
Feel better?
OneUpper
1/10/17 1:06pm
Having children with Autism is extremely difficult, and the hardship doesn't really ever end.
jaromp
1/10/17 1:01pm
True. But until there is sufficient evidence to support vaccines as the cause
StalwartBraveTrue
1/11/17 1:05am
feels strongly about it?! who cares how he feels.
riboflavin
1/10/17 12:59pm
But 2+2 just FEELS like 5
unctoothman
1/10/17 1:03pm
Read your blog. The author is doing the same smoke and mirrors hack job
OneUpper
1/10/17 1:34pm
In good faith, I read the entire article. Wow. That was long. My favorite was
StalwartBraveTrue
1/11/17 12:35am
The conflict of interest is mitigated by peer-review. Why do so many people
stonewallperry
1/11/17 12:31pm
All of them?
Cougarfan777
1/11/17 11:56pm
When their thinking is demonstrably wrong and harms others, I'm ok with it
DapperDan
1/10/17 12:33pm
How so?
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 12:39pm
RE: How so?
DapperDan
1/10/17 12:40pm
I was directly impacted by anti-vaxxers.
jdub
1/10/17 1:02pm
You bring up a great point.
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 1:10pm
It's not an article when you're self-publishing on the internet.
OneUpper
1/10/17 1:12pm
Also, here are some of the other thought-provoking "articles" on that site
OneUpper
1/10/17 1:16pm
so one message is bad, all messages are bad. got it.
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 1:26pm
Just showing that it's not published in the American Journal of Medicine.
OneUpper
1/10/17 1:36pm
Well, I didn't say what you just claimed I said.
jdub
1/10/17 1:15pm
youre totally right. its not his passion for the topic that makes it interesting
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 1:27pm
RE: youre totally right. its not his passion for the topic that makes it
jdub
1/10/17 1:42pm
All you need to know about the blog is that he refers to studies that were
Byron McNertney
1/10/17 2:23pm
They have an opinion so ridiculous and potentially harmful that it deserves ridicule.
Jezza
1/10/17 12:36pm
If their different thinking endangers others and is demonstrably wrong, then yes
Byron McNertney
1/10/17 12:43pm
Had some crazy anti-vaccers show up to stage a sit-in at a campaign event last fall.....that was fun.....
Jezza
1/10/17 12:22pm
Why do anti-vaccers care about high school elections?
Sid Vicious
1/10/17 12:24pm
haha good one
Jezza
1/10/17 12:30pm
I've come to believe that often times people aren't that crazy. They've just had
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 12:25pm
I believe they have had VERY different experiences. But that doesn't make them any less wrong.
Jezza
1/10/17 12:30pm
If "vaccine exemptions" means what I think it does, I'm torn...
BertoChavez
1/10/17 12:24pm
Paying taxes usually doesn't give you the right to infect other students
silent_t
1/10/17 12:28pm
that's an interesting take. please expound..
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 12:29pm
The video DapperDan posted below is a good summary of my feelings on vaccination
silent_t
1/10/17 12:39pm
RE: that's an interesting take. please expound..
byuTX
1/10/17 1:33pm
But what if the vaccine is single digit effective?
CougarAndMerlin
1/10/17 12:31pm
The flu vaccine isn't mandatory
Jezza
1/10/17 12:32pm
Devils advocate. Shouldn't the vaccinated kids be immune anyway?
maxpowers
1/10/17 12:31pm
That's not how vaccinations work. They maintain a low defense, sometimes not enough to withstand contact
Jezza
1/10/17 12:33pm
If that's the case, why did I have to get vaccinated for the plague when I was in the USMC?
CougarAndMerlin
1/10/17 12:40pm
your titer to the disease is much higher after getting the vaccine, so its a goo
TN_Coug
1/10/17 12:45pm
That's not how vaccines work on a large scale
DapperDan
1/10/17 12:36pm
You use the word "infect" in an interesting way.
Y'zFan
1/10/17 12:33pm
I definitely understand this point, but it's a slippery slope.
BertoChavez
1/10/17 1:51pm
This is what should and shouldn't be controlled:
Y Mountain
1/10/17 3:02pm
nice 24 yr old viewpoint
StalwartBraveTrue
1/11/17 1:17am
When you get into the details, it gets murky.
Y Mountain
1/11/17 9:40am
Gotcha. I agree there is an argument for it in the Libertarian view.
StalwartBraveTrue
1/11/17 10:47am
Not getting your kid vaccinated and sending them to school or in public risks everyone else's kids, It's not a personal
Jezza
1/10/17 12:31pm
So, they're all cess pools of disease, then? I don't think you know what
SPgoofyft
1/10/17 1:00pm
The science is clear. Vaccines do not cause autism. Vaccinate your kids ASAP.
Jezza
1/10/17 1:07pm
Chicken pox sounds mild...but it can be pretty serious under certain conditions.
PharmD
1/10/17 1:12pm
Attending school at all affects other kids in various ways.
BertoChavez
1/10/17 1:54pm
slippery slope indeed.
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 1:58pm
<< Deleted >>
Y Mountain
1/10/17 3:05pm
We probably shouldn't allow kids who have been outside the country into schools
Spine
1/10/17 9:11pm
"We don't vaccinate until they're required to before missions" is an actual
HoustonCougar
1/10/17 12:43pm
They might be smarter than you think. I bet you know nothing about vaccines
SPgoofyft
1/10/17 1:05pm
I trust the full weight of scientific evidence. This really isn't a tough issue.
Jezza
1/10/17 1:08pm
Lolz.
HoustonCougar
1/10/17 1:12pm
It has CHEMICALS! Chemicals is such a scary word!
OneUpper
1/10/17 1:21pm
fighting personal attacks with personal attacks.
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 1:31pm
Yup. Can we fast forward to the point where you apologize and we hug it out?
OneUpper
1/10/17 1:41pm
We can start with a trip to this site:
byuTX
1/10/17 1:58pm
Sadly, I have a relative that counts here
Y Mountain
1/10/17 3:10pm
and this is why the divide in our country grows wider.
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 4:30pm
And, your assumptions keep missing the mark
jdub
1/10/17 4:51pm
RE: And, your assumptions keep missing the mark
CrashMcLarson
1/10/17 5:24pm
You are flat out wrong on this issue and all the dim-witted, unintelligent folks out banging the drum for this cause are
byuTX
1/10/17 5:28pm
*prey
OneUpper
1/10/17 6:26pm
I think you totally misunderstand my position.
CrashMcLarson
1/11/17 10:20am
But, your post shows the whole problem with your position.
jdub
1/11/17 10:33am
RE: But, your post shows the whole problem with your position.
CrashMcLarson
1/11/17 11:07am
exactly.
jdub
1/11/17 12:37pm
How do people know that the vaccines are what caused the problems with
stonewallperry
1/11/17 12:57pm
holy smokes people
CrashMcLarson
1/11/17 1:11pm
Most vaccines are given only a single time, so how can a Mom (or Dad) possibly
stonewallperry
1/11/17 7:37pm
you're attributing the actions of one person to a whole group of people.
CrashMcLarson
1/12/17 8:49am
Response to your questions.
StalwartBraveTrue
1/11/17 1:48am
The overwhelming majority of people, pro- and anti-vax, aren't capable
stonewallperry
1/11/17 12:42pm
so you think all anti-vax people dont see the need for doctors..
CrashMcLarson
1/11/17 1:14pm
That is part of the problem. People THINK they figure them out, when in
stonewallperry
1/11/17 7:30pm
haha if thats part of your argument to not even try to figure them out...
CrashMcLarson
1/12/17 8:50am
People have died!! It seems you're the one who doesn't want to understand!
Wear Blue
1/11/17 1:11am
or calling them frauds and liars because they differ in their interpretation.
StalwartBraveTrue
1/11/17 1:25am
Polio.
BNcoug
1/11/17 9:15am
Finally, something that left-wing wackos can agree with Trump on.
Conan
1/10/17 1:20pm
SMH
byuTX
1/10/17 5:24pm
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