never have a I said that vaccines are terrible and nobody should take them. I've said that they are essential for the general population. The whole purpose of this discussion is to discuss some of the red flags that are apparent with vaccines, how they can be improved and what should happen when people don't want to vaccinate because they have good reason to believe (because of explicit examples in their family) that their family is at risk of developing autoimmune disorders or maybe even autism.

Calling people idiots and dismissing them without hearing their stories and experiences doesn't get you anywhere.