steals guy. And as you said, that's happening on two different sides of the ball, which is impressive.

I'm simply saying that being #1 on any career list is partly a function longevity. And he played more minutes than anyone (except Kidd) whose job is to accumulate assists and steals.

For example, the #1 and #2 guys in all-time points scored (Kareem and Malone) are also, not coincidentally, #1 and #2 in all-time minutes played. Of course both were great scorers. But being so high up an all-time list is partly about playing a lot.