You're right ... Holliday, Tujague, Beck, and Atuaia bring nothing new

Nov 21, 2014
5:01:30pm

ManicBlue

to the program. They're all long time BYU coaches. Anae probably didn't learn anything from Rich Rod or Mike Stoops either. hahahahahaha Good one. Keep them coming.

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Returning from my self-imposed silence.

pittsburghcoug

11/21/14 4:07pm

Does this paragraph from the HBR article nail it about Bronco?

pittsburghcoug

11/21/14 4:15pm

Makes sense to me.

DaveLB

11/21/14 4:19pm

Not at all actually.

ManicBlue

11/21/14 4:26pm

Who did he hire to replace the OC he fired? The same OC that was there

foofcoug

11/21/14 4:44pm

You mean the one that was really successful here before ? Yeah that's weird.

ManicBlue

11/21/14 4:50pm

Yeah, part of that same internal network.

foofcoug

11/21/14 4:56pm

You're right ... Holliday, Tujague, Beck, and Atuaia bring nothing new

ManicBlue

11/21/14 5:01pm

Your rebuttal only holds weight if those position coaches are excelling

SBJ

11/21/14 6:51pm

uh ... not

ManicBlue

11/21/14 9:14pm

Sorry, you're wrong again.

SBJ

11/22/14 11:42am

Sorry, you're still clueless.

ManicBlue

11/22/14 8:44pm

Actually, it sounds more like Lavell Edwards, post-1985

BeardedSpock

11/21/14 4:33pm

Avoiding losses over pursuing gains?

teancum

11/21/14 5:05pm

Can you dumb it down a shade?

Azul_Rust

11/21/14 6:48pm

It's called Battered Fan Syndrome

kotacoug

11/21/14 4:18pm

etiology: stagnant coaching syndrome.

oryguncoug

11/21/14 4:23pm

It's based on years of data. Firing coaches with Bronco's record ALWAYS results

rcbyufan

11/21/14 4:27pm

Florida state?

cougarfann888

11/21/14 4:29pm

2 points

rcbyufan

11/21/14 4:39pm

Not true. Jimbo only controlled the O, he was nowhere near a de facto HC.

slatecoug

11/22/14 6:56pm

John Cooper Ohio State

concolor couguar

11/21/14 4:32pm

Cooper is actually THE best argument to my position, IMO

rcbyufan

11/21/14 4:45pm

Adding special caveats after can literally rule out everyone

concolor couguar

11/21/14 5:28pm

Sure, but a couple of points

rcbyufan

11/21/14 5:33pm

cooper was fired

concolor couguar

11/21/14 5:40pm

I've admitted that Cooper is the best argument against my position.

rcbyufan

11/21/14 5:49pm

technically you said 3-5 years

concolor couguar

11/21/14 10:35pm

Keep moving that target...

swingcat

11/21/14 5:34pm

tressel to urban meyer

oryguncoug

11/21/14 4:50pm

i am of course not counting fickell in between as he was a seat warmer until

oryguncoug

11/21/14 4:50pm

off-field firing is not the same thing. I should have made that clear.

rcbyufan

11/21/14 5:04pm

Do they have to have his exact record or are you saying that firing a winning

monkeycowboy

11/21/14 4:32pm

Not exactly the same situation since Tressel would still be coaching

ManicBlue

11/21/14 4:36pm

but he was a winning coach. The other scenario would be bobby bowden at Fl state

monkeycowboy

11/21/14 4:39pm

Tressel was let go for off-field issues, not remotely for on-field

rcbyufan

11/21/14 4:46pm

also, tressel was winless in his final year

rcbyufan

11/21/14 5:17pm

Urban Meyer? Whittingham? Anderson? I havent even left the state.

DaveLB

11/21/14 4:34pm

Urban Meyer wasn't fired. Anderson wasn't fired. Try again.

ManicBlue

11/21/14 4:36pm

He did say fired so Whitt and Anderson situations dont work

concolor couguar

11/21/14 4:37pm

I was referring to McBride and Guy (USU). Both of their replacements

DaveLB

11/21/14 4:40pm

Guy was awful and doesnt fit the scenario of a record like bronco

concolor couguar

11/21/14 4:43pm

Just use Bronco's record against just decent teams then it will match

DaveLB

11/21/14 4:46pm

no it wont

concolor couguar

11/21/14 5:26pm

McBride had 2 losing seasons in last 3 years. Guy won like 5 games total

rcbyufan

11/21/14 4:47pm

auburn chizik to malzahn, arkansas nutt to petrino, florida, zook-meyer

oryguncoug

11/21/14 4:40pm

chizik-losing season, also .500 career record (w/14-0 year)

rcbyufan

11/21/14 4:58pm

So if bronco had a losing season next year?

concolor couguar

11/21/14 5:29pm

i thought we were just going with winning percentage, you are changing the rules

oryguncoug

11/21/14 6:00pm

Southern Mississippi and New Mexico come to mind

BeardedSpock

11/21/14 4:42pm

Firing CEOs also results in lower performance in the short run

DrBYU

11/21/14 4:43pm

That's all I'm saying. Short term is always worse.

rcbyufan

11/21/14 5:00pm

but it is not always worse

concolor couguar

11/21/14 5:30pm

Nice made-up statistics you pulled out of the air. Here's some real stats:

Culligan Man

11/21/14 4:48pm

So, we can expect 1 fewer win if we let go of Mendenhall based on your stats.

CMuehle

11/21/14 4:58pm

Yes, let's wait until next year where we fall even further

Culligan Man

11/21/14 5:05pm

If bronco 1.moves on or 2. resigns/retires I am okay with it. Only talking about

rcbyufan

11/21/14 5:19pm

This article is lacking the data. My recollection is fired coaches

PJMort

11/21/14 5:50pm

This logic fails and almost proves the point you are trying to disprove

cougarfann888

11/21/14 4:57pm

Coaches moving on is totally different than firing. If Bronco resigned, it would

rcbyufan

11/21/14 5:02pm

why would it make a difference as to if we were succesful under the next coach?

cougarfann888

11/21/14 5:03pm

the job is much less attractive to potential coaches

rcbyufan

11/21/14 5:21pm

We will have to disagree on cause and affect. If saban got fired this year it

cougarfann888

11/21/14 5:30pm

Bellotti got "reassigned" so Chip Kelly cloud take over.

Art Director

11/21/14 4:58pm

All I'm saying is the data says if you fire an 8 win coach for on-field issues

rcbyufan

11/21/14 5:04pm

so if we lose to cal and the bowl game will you jump on the #firebronco team

cougarfann888

11/21/14 5:07pm

Maybe. Look, BYU may be an outlier (because our coaching pool is different from

rcbyufan

11/21/14 5:15pm

He wont get 8 wins this season. Tomorrow will pad it to 7 then thats all folks.

DaveLB

11/21/14 5:21pm

Bellotti was a 13-year coach with a .67 winning percentage. An 8-5 average.

Art Director

11/21/14 5:22pm

I think you have a good point. However,

rcbyufan

11/21/14 5:29pm

Most of us are concerned about the long term health of the program. I'm quite

Real Men Wear Blue

11/21/14 5:23pm

that's fine. And I think this is one of the reasons the tough schedule next yr

rcbyufan

11/21/14 5:31pm

I opine that the tought schedules has brought this criticism up.

CougarPilot

11/21/14 8:04pm

The study is a valid point but the fact that you say "ALWAYS, every single time"

swingcat

11/21/14 5:31pm

Don't use logic against Bronco lovers, it will be lost on them.

CougarWarrior

11/21/14 5:06pm

So who would you hire?

zia cougar

11/21/14 7:38pm

Not this again

CougarEatU

11/22/14 1:07am

I would hire myself. I know I would do a terrible job but I would enjoy it

cougarfann888

11/22/14 1:16am

This may have been posted already but during the slew of fire Kyle talk after

Cornelius

11/22/14 8:12am

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