i may be the only one who understands that is not the same as saying he is the best player or MVP.

i said the same three seasons ago about Abouo and some lunatic lawyer who hated Abouo and loved Carlino insisted by saying he was best all around i was also saying he was BYU's best player and that Abouo was nothing more than a marginal role player. LOL.

Anyway, i agree with you for now about Winder but Collinsworth, still only 85%, might take that description when he recovers fully.

Winder, a great defender and very efficient on offense, should be starting and playing 35 minutes. BYU would have won both OT games. Fischer starts for the same reason Worthington starts: they are the strongest off court personalities.

Perhaps the most troubling thing about Fischer's big day in game #2 was that Rose couldn't take him off the court in crunch time in game 3. Toolson for Fischer for 15 minutes or so might also have made the difference.

The multi-year turnaround that began in January, 2014 after bottoming with 4 straight losses in December. This team is better than last year and should prove that over time.

Pessimists be gone.