institution and some of its key aspects. i know Ute fans who are firmly in the former category,but there are others, even LDS, who start to bleed over into the latter. these include those who mock the Honor Code, those that try to live the HC, and then turn around and mock those who fall short in their efforts (similar to what the Dairy Yewts did to Davies in the Spectrum), etc etc. there are some that hate there is any connection whatsoever (even if as tenuous as you claim) between BYU and its sponsoring institution. I'm not claiming at all that is a majority of the LDS fans.