I am actually glad Butler-Bird is still on the team.

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Aug 23, 2016
11:32:03am

RaggaeCoug All-American

I am actually glad Butler-Bird is still on the team.

His actions were so weird from a normal, kick the kid off the team, kind of crime. To me is screamed of a kid that was messed up and needs help. Kicking him off the team could really cause a very bad downward spiral. Someone like this needs help and support.

Now he obviously needs to be disciplined and I truly hope he misses some games this year. But no way does he need to be kicked off the team.

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RaggaeCoug

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I am actually glad Butler-Bird is still on the team.

RaggaeCoug

8/23/16 11:32am

Are people saying he should be kicked off the team? I must have missed those.

crack

8/23/16 11:35am

Agree there. I haven't seen it much here, but twitter is blowing up.

RaggaeCoug

8/23/16 11:38am

I have softened my stance a lot over the years...

Tokolosh

8/23/16 11:38am

How dare a Ute fan be reasonable!

brazilcoug

8/23/16 11:40am

Except Van Noy effectively served a 1 year suspension

WDaddy

8/23/16 11:43am

When, freshman year?

8/23/16 11:46am

Before he even enrolled. Bronco made Van Noy wait a year because of his DUI.

WDaddy

8/23/16 11:47am

If I remember correctly, KVN moved up and lived in Seattle with Jake Heaps for

crack

8/23/16 11:48am

He did. However, that was the requirement of a religious school...

Tokolosh

8/23/16 12:07pm

Yes, but you brought him up as a good example of overcoming mistakes. Point is

runnincoug

8/23/16 12:11pm

Yes but consequences can vary depending on what you want...

Tokolosh

8/23/16 12:18pm

exactly. we forget athletes are just regular people.

riboflavin

8/23/16 11:44am

100% agree.

dut99002

8/23/16 11:53am

Great comment. Totally agree.

CT98

8/23/16 11:51am

Some mistakes should have consequenced. Smashing police vehicles is not a little

runnincoug

8/23/16 12:02pm

Hatfield robbed a guy at gun point and assaulted another while smoking weed.

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 12:03pm

That was also a bizarre case that should have consequences. Back to van noy,

runnincoug

8/23/16 12:09pm

It had significant consequences, when it was definitively proved that Hatfield

Scratch

8/23/16 12:14pm

Except he didn't. Give it up.

Scratch

8/23/16 12:11pm

Yeah, and michael jackson never molested anyone.

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 12:12pm

You do realize that there was video footage of the perp and it was clearly not

Scratch

8/23/16 12:14pm

And I understand that this is all just rivalry hyperbole so I roll my eyes at

Scratch

8/23/16 12:18pm

The video was not very clear and even if the guy in the video wasn't Hatfield,

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 12:18pm

The video and the clerk were clear that it was a tall guy, which Hatfield is not

Scratch

8/23/16 12:26pm

Good dodge. Hatfield was at least an accomplice to armed robbery.

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 12:34pm

Prove it according to Utah law.

ironman1315

8/23/16 12:36pm

He can't even prove it without the mens rea requirement.

Scratch

8/23/16 12:42pm

And again, Michael Jackson never molested anyone. If he did, then prove it.

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 12:44pm

This argument is weak. There is clear exculpatory evidence for Domo.

ironman1315

8/23/16 12:46pm

And OJ was innocent too! Your argument is a complete failure.

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 12:52pm

There was all kinds of evidence on OJ, obviously. There is exculpatory evidence

Scratch

8/23/16 12:57pm

Let's review some basic rules of argumentation.

ironman1315

8/23/16 1:04pm

I have told you why I believe he is an accomplice. Your ignoring that evidence

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 1:28pm

I have not. You haven't shown me the mental state.

ironman1315

8/23/16 1:39pm

And you're ignoring the other half now. Put them together.

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 1:45pm

And tons of evidence that Jackson molested kids.

Scratch

8/23/16 12:56pm

Really? So why didn't the state pursue charges?

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 1:06pm

For while there may be tons of evidence it may not prove the issue...

ironman1315

8/23/16 1:07pm

Oh, so there wasn't tons of evidence that he did it.

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 1:22pm

Tons of evidence is not the same thing as evidence that proves...

ironman1315

8/23/16 1:26pm

Then why isn't he? Because there's no evidence supporting that theory, at least

Scratch

8/23/16 12:42pm

Or, more likely, since it would require a someone to testify against him,

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 12:46pm

You like to play pretty loose with the accusations.

Tokolosh

8/23/16 12:49pm

Not really. It's just the next logical step.

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 12:53pm

RE: Not really. It's just the next logical step...

ironman1315

8/23/16 1:06pm

Yeah, his phone number just happened to be on the ad that led to the robbery.

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 1:10pm

Oh look another goal post move.

ironman1315

8/23/16 1:13pm

Not a goal post move at all. But way to ignore half of the data presented.

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 1:21pm

Mens rea. Show me the mental state.

ironman1315

8/23/16 1:25pm

Great, so why did domo have the stolen phones?

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 1:40pm

Because he picked them up at a party and they weren't taken in the armed robbery

ironman1315

8/23/16 1:42pm

Right, different crimes. Domo's number is on an ad where they are stealing

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 1:46pm

*eyeroll

ironman1315

8/23/16 1:48pm

So you have no real rebuttal then. Just an eyeroll. Good to know.

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 1:52pm

My response was that your facts are all a jumble.

ironman1315

8/23/16 1:55pm

Boy don't you wish this was a court of law, where people have to stick directly

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 1:59pm

Bruh, that ain't just court of law but solid argumentation skills.

ironman1315

8/23/16 2:04pm

Ok, you've now contended they're not connected. Prove it.

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 2:12pm

Another rule of argumentation, you cannot prove a negative.

ironman1315

8/23/16 2:15pm

Nope, all on you now. You need to prove that it's either impossible that

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 4:07pm

Dude, you've proven literally nothing.

ironman1315

8/23/16 4:19pm

Just as much as you've proven it seems. It's funny you think you have the upper

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 4:33pm

You made the initial assertion. You have the burden of proof.

ironman1315

8/23/16 4:43pm

Oh and scroll down a little to the proving a negative section.

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 4:35pm

It's OK, I'm sure he also believes that all of the BYU players who were involved

Scratch

8/23/16 1:48pm

I'm confused, did one of them use their phone to make the fake ID?

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 1:54pm

The likelihood that the guys partying with Koroma and his illegally purchased

Scratch

8/23/16 2:01pm

I'm actually a little surprised they weren't. But yes,

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 2:14pm

There is no next logical step when you are standing on a conclusion

Tokolosh

8/23/16 1:06pm

Wow, where to even start with that... You're contending that there can be no

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 1:16pm

Except that which exonerates him

Tokolosh

8/23/16 1:26pm

This is my fault because I wasn't clear in my original post and haven't

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 1:39pm

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Sweetness

8/23/16 10:06pm

Better example is Nai Fotu

Chambana Coug

8/23/16 1:32pm

There are just so many examples...

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 1:55pm

Agree 100%

thebruce

8/23/16 11:44am

To me it screamed drug problem. Which should prohibit him from playing for at

Cougarrrs

8/23/16 11:51am

It seems to be a mental health issue, according to a few tweets I've seen.

ironman1315

8/23/16 12:37pm

He chose to attend UofU -- sounds like a mental issue to me

zia cougar

8/23/16 3:54pm

The older I get, the more I want everyone to get mercy and a 2nd chance. I

ALUF 1990

8/23/16 4:10pm

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