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Aug 23, 2016
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riboflavin
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exactly. we forget athletes are just regular people.
maybe the worst thing we U/Y fans do is use the other teams player's mistakes as a cudgel to score some rivalry related body blows. really glad my mistakes aren't so public.
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I am actually glad Butler-Bird is still on the team.
RaggaeCoug
8/23/16 11:32am
Are people saying he should be kicked off the team? I must have missed those.
crack
8/23/16 11:35am
Agree there. I haven't seen it much here, but twitter is blowing up.
RaggaeCoug
8/23/16 11:38am
I have softened my stance a lot over the years...
Tokolosh
8/23/16 11:38am
How dare a Ute fan be reasonable!
brazilcoug
8/23/16 11:40am
Except Van Noy effectively served a 1 year suspension
WDaddy
8/23/16 11:43am
When, freshman year?
ToasterChive
8/23/16 11:46am
Before he even enrolled. Bronco made Van Noy wait a year because of his DUI.
WDaddy
8/23/16 11:47am
If I remember correctly, KVN moved up and lived in Seattle with Jake Heaps for
crack
8/23/16 11:48am
He did. However, that was the requirement of a religious school...
Tokolosh
8/23/16 12:07pm
Yes, but you brought him up as a good example of overcoming mistakes. Point is
runnincoug
8/23/16 12:11pm
Yes but consequences can vary depending on what you want...
Tokolosh
8/23/16 12:18pm
exactly. we forget athletes are just regular people.
riboflavin
8/23/16 11:44am
100% agree.
dut99002
8/23/16 11:53am
Great comment. Totally agree.
CT98
8/23/16 11:51am
Some mistakes should have consequenced. Smashing police vehicles is not a little
runnincoug
8/23/16 12:02pm
Hatfield robbed a guy at gun point and assaulted another while smoking weed.
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 12:03pm
That was also a bizarre case that should have consequences. Back to van noy,
runnincoug
8/23/16 12:09pm
It had significant consequences, when it was definitively proved that Hatfield
Scratch
8/23/16 12:14pm
Except he didn't. Give it up.
Scratch
8/23/16 12:11pm
Yeah, and michael jackson never molested anyone.
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 12:12pm
You do realize that there was video footage of the perp and it was clearly not
Scratch
8/23/16 12:14pm
And I understand that this is all just rivalry hyperbole so I roll my eyes at
Scratch
8/23/16 12:18pm
The video was not very clear and even if the guy in the video wasn't Hatfield,
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 12:18pm
The video and the clerk were clear that it was a tall guy, which Hatfield is not
Scratch
8/23/16 12:26pm
Good dodge. Hatfield was at least an accomplice to armed robbery.
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 12:34pm
Prove it according to Utah law.
ironman1315
8/23/16 12:36pm
He can't even prove it without the mens rea requirement.
Scratch
8/23/16 12:42pm
And again, Michael Jackson never molested anyone. If he did, then prove it.
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 12:44pm
This argument is weak. There is clear exculpatory evidence for Domo.
ironman1315
8/23/16 12:46pm
And OJ was innocent too! Your argument is a complete failure.
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 12:52pm
There was all kinds of evidence on OJ, obviously. There is exculpatory evidence
Scratch
8/23/16 12:57pm
Let's review some basic rules of argumentation.
ironman1315
8/23/16 1:04pm
I have told you why I believe he is an accomplice. Your ignoring that evidence
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 1:28pm
I have not. You haven't shown me the mental state.
ironman1315
8/23/16 1:39pm
And you're ignoring the other half now. Put them together.
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 1:45pm
And tons of evidence that Jackson molested kids.
Scratch
8/23/16 12:56pm
Really? So why didn't the state pursue charges?
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 1:06pm
For while there may be tons of evidence it may not prove the issue...
ironman1315
8/23/16 1:07pm
Oh, so there wasn't tons of evidence that he did it.
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 1:22pm
Tons of evidence is not the same thing as evidence that proves...
ironman1315
8/23/16 1:26pm
Then why isn't he? Because there's no evidence supporting that theory, at least
Scratch
8/23/16 12:42pm
Or, more likely, since it would require a someone to testify against him,
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 12:46pm
You like to play pretty loose with the accusations.
Tokolosh
8/23/16 12:49pm
Not really. It's just the next logical step.
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 12:53pm
RE: Not really. It's just the next logical step...
ironman1315
8/23/16 1:06pm
Yeah, his phone number just happened to be on the ad that led to the robbery.
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 1:10pm
Oh look another goal post move.
ironman1315
8/23/16 1:13pm
Not a goal post move at all. But way to ignore half of the data presented.
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 1:21pm
Mens rea. Show me the mental state.
ironman1315
8/23/16 1:25pm
Great, so why did domo have the stolen phones?
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 1:40pm
Because he picked them up at a party and they weren't taken in the armed robbery
ironman1315
8/23/16 1:42pm
Right, different crimes. Domo's number is on an ad where they are stealing
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 1:46pm
*eyeroll
ironman1315
8/23/16 1:48pm
So you have no real rebuttal then. Just an eyeroll. Good to know.
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 1:52pm
My response was that your facts are all a jumble.
ironman1315
8/23/16 1:55pm
Boy don't you wish this was a court of law, where people have to stick directly
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 1:59pm
Bruh, that ain't just court of law but solid argumentation skills.
ironman1315
8/23/16 2:04pm
Ok, you've now contended they're not connected. Prove it.
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 2:12pm
Another rule of argumentation, you cannot prove a negative.
ironman1315
8/23/16 2:15pm
Nope, all on you now. You need to prove that it's either impossible that
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 4:07pm
Dude, you've proven literally nothing.
ironman1315
8/23/16 4:19pm
Just as much as you've proven it seems. It's funny you think you have the upper
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 4:33pm
You made the initial assertion. You have the burden of proof.
ironman1315
8/23/16 4:43pm
Oh and scroll down a little to the proving a negative section.
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 4:35pm
It's OK, I'm sure he also believes that all of the BYU players who were involved
Scratch
8/23/16 1:48pm
I'm confused, did one of them use their phone to make the fake ID?
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 1:54pm
The likelihood that the guys partying with Koroma and his illegally purchased
Scratch
8/23/16 2:01pm
I'm actually a little surprised they weren't. But yes,
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 2:14pm
There is no next logical step when you are standing on a conclusion
Tokolosh
8/23/16 1:06pm
Wow, where to even start with that... You're contending that there can be no
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 1:16pm
Except that which exonerates him
Tokolosh
8/23/16 1:26pm
This is my fault because I wasn't clear in my original post and haven't
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 1:39pm
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Sweetness
8/23/16 10:06pm
Better example is Nai Fotu
Chambana Coug
8/23/16 1:32pm
There are just so many examples...
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 1:55pm
Agree 100%
thebruce
8/23/16 11:44am
To me it screamed drug problem. Which should prohibit him from playing for at
Cougarrrs
8/23/16 11:51am
It seems to be a mental health issue, according to a few tweets I've seen.
ironman1315
8/23/16 12:37pm
He chose to attend UofU -- sounds like a mental issue to me
zia cougar
8/23/16 3:54pm
The older I get, the more I want everyone to get mercy and a 2nd chance. I
ALUF 1990
8/23/16 4:10pm
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