Yeah, but a lot of those teams were stiffs.

Mar 1, 2019
12:42:37pm

CMuehle All-American

Other than St. Mary's last year and Southern Mississippi in the NIT in 2013, a Rose team hasn't beaten a higher seed in a tournament. That includes NCAA, NIT, MWC and WCC.

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Duke to the Mountain West!! & BYU sews up 3rd regular season WCC championship

Greg4BYU

3/1/19 11:40am

Though the ACC is tougher top to bottom than the WCC will ever be

pegushin

3/1/19 11:44am

WCC without Gonzaga would be trash. Would we be satisfied w/ 3 titles in 8 yrs?

Martin Van Nostrand

3/1/19 11:47am

Point taken. BYU cannot compare itself to Gonzaga right now.

mudpupper

3/1/19 11:48am

No one expects BYU to take over the Zags and the WCC... Another year has gone by

BYUheaven

3/1/19 11:52am

w/out Gonzaga BYU would have won the WCC autobid last year over #25 SMC

Greg4BYU

3/1/19 11:58am

BYU also would have won the autobid in 2014 and in 2015 without the Zags and...

Greg4BYU

3/1/19 12:08pm

We made the tournament plenty of times in the MWC without EVER winning the auto

BYUheaven

3/1/19 12:13pm

If Gonzaga didn't exist, the WCC would be the Big Sky/BigWest/WAC.

jackcrack7

3/1/19 12:09pm

This is part of the problem. There are BYU fans that actually believe this.

Gentleman Stan

3/1/19 12:49pm

Yup

rggee

3/1/19 1:32pm

That huge space between those groups is because of Gonzaga.

jackcrack7

3/1/19 2:38pm

The MWC has had two recent seasons as an auto-bid league. This isn't their worst

Gentleman Stan

3/1/19 3:11pm

I'm not overlooking San Francisco. This year is an anomaly.

jackcrack7

3/1/19 7:35pm

MWC>WCC>Big West>Big Sky

WannabeAA

3/1/19 3:10pm

Mathematically the WCC is better than the MWC.

Gentleman Stan

3/1/19 5:53pm

Can you educate me? Not seeing it.

WannabeAA

3/1/19 9:21pm

Sure. Kenpom and Net Rankings, the most accurate metrics available.

Gentleman Stan

3/1/19 10:11pm

RE: Sure. Kenpom and Net Rankings, the most accurate metrics available.

WannabeAA

3/1/19 10:41pm

NET is brand new this year. KenPom has the MW as the better league most years.

jackcrack7

3/2/19 11:22am

Wasn't thinking this season only, but I see how my comment can be interpreted

WannabeAA

3/1/19 10:42pm

The problem isn't that Gonzaga has gotten better.

CMuehle

3/1/19 12:13pm

^^^^this is the truth right here

BYUheaven

3/1/19 12:15pm

Yep, would love to be the Tar Heels to Duke in this conference

pegushin

3/1/19 12:16pm

It's not hard to get worse from your best ever year with your best ever player.

rggee

3/1/19 12:18pm

But to fall that far to where we are less than average since 1997?

pegushin

3/1/19 12:19pm

We would have been fine if our players didn't keep bailing to go play in Europe

rggee

3/1/19 12:21pm

That's on the coach to 1. Keep players and 2. Fill in the holes with talent if

BYUheaven

3/1/19 12:27pm

To the Zags credit though, they have gotten better since 2011

Parkcity_and

3/1/19 2:45pm

Yes. Gonzaga getting better has no bearing on BYU losing to sub .500 teams.

CougaRR4L

3/1/19 10:10pm

It’s not literally year after year, but the general trajectory is sadly accurate

Coop

3/2/19 7:10am

This man gets it. It isn’t the games vs. GU. It’s the games vs. The field.

StalwartBraveTrue

3/2/19 9:03am

College basketball teams don't win every road game unless they are elite.

rggee

3/2/19 10:06am

Um, what? Who said that?

StalwartBraveTrue

3/3/19 9:45pm

We would have won the WCC Tournament... Right...

EternalOptimism

3/1/19 12:17pm

Rose does fine in conference tournaments against teams outside GU and UNLV on

rggee

3/1/19 12:20pm

In 13 tournaments, Rose is 17-5 against teams not named UNLV or GU

rggee

3/1/19 12:28pm

Including 9-2 in the WCC (7 tournaments)

rggee

3/1/19 12:29pm

Yeah, but a lot of those teams were stiffs.

CMuehle

3/1/19 12:42pm

Well yeah we're always in the top 3 seeds of the tournaments...that's a silly

rggee

3/1/19 12:45pm

No sillier than touting Rose's record against the bottom

CMuehle

3/1/19 1:02pm

RE: Duke to the Mountain West!! & BYU sews up 3rd regular season WCC

WannabeAA

3/1/19 1:08pm

I’m actually surprised how many people missed the point.

StalwartBraveTrue

3/1/19 3:55pm

And when we beat GU in the WCC finals this year......

TunaNoCrust

3/1/19 4:01pm

Finishing 2nd in 3 of 8 seasons is not consistency

Coop

3/2/19 7:08am

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