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Apr 5, 2024
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Socrates Johnson
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This is simple revisionism. It just isn’t true.
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What is the source of the conviction that Kalani has “had enough time” and
Socrates Johnson
Apr 5, 8:50am
Because it's the same issues year after year. He is who he is
TNT
Apr 5, 8:54am
What are the same issues year after year?
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 8:55am
Poor recruiting. Very poor DL play for 8 years. Keeping poor coaches too long
Idacoug
Apr 5, 8:56am
"We need to look at the film." Yet team looks unprepared each week
TNT
Apr 5, 8:58am
Yep. Preach.
Idacoug
Apr 5, 8:59am
"Every week" is more than a bit of an exaggeration and certainly injuries,
basman
Apr 5, 9:08am
Poor DL play for so many recruiting cycles is a key indictment
shammy
Apr 5, 9:06am
Families of top players haven't trusted KS with their sons' careers
vegas guey
Apr 5, 9:14am
Amen brother
TNT
Apr 5, 9:32am
except for the many top players that did. look at all those guys in the NFL
FieroCoug
Apr 5, 11:12am
Poor DL play traces back to one source, Tuiaki. That's been addressed. Recruiting is on the upswing especially
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 9:23am
So it took a HC 8 years to figure that out? That’s a fireable offense. Anything
Idacoug
Apr 5, 9:56am
8 years? Math issues much?
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 10:06am
Idacoug isn't good at much on CB, except trolling
NYC and Japan
Apr 5, 12:41pm
Only took Kalani 8 years to figure that out? 😂
Idacoug
Apr 5, 5:42pm
I can recommend some good toys that teach kids how to count. 👍🙂
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 6:20pm
You don't remember?
TNT
Apr 5, 8:57am
C'mon that's just lazy.
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 9:23am
No. You have a search function. Use it. TNT isn't going to keep typing it all ou
TNT
Apr 5, 9:29am
Over 230,000 posts and now you have a problem typing something out? uh huh
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 9:32am
Why? You wouldn't believe it anyway
TNT
Apr 5, 9:33am
Why wouldn't I? Are they lies? I haven't been a Kalani apologist.
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 9:39am
No. You and TNT see things differently. And that's fine
TNT
Apr 5, 9:43am
I don't have a problem with that, but I have NO idea how you see things. So ...?
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 9:45am
Well search for it. TNT = most lazy but you are giving him a run for his money
TNT
Apr 5, 9:48am
Seriously? Easier for me to search your 233,000+ posts than to just give me your top 5 issues? smh
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 9:57am
Just search "kalani coach" or similar on TNT's profile
MarylandFan
Apr 5, 11:21am
Thanks, but those are all of the same generic crap. I asked him for specifics. Shouldn't be that hard.
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 11:26am
They're specific observations. I'm thinking TNT sniffed this out before me.
MarylandFan
Apr 5, 11:32am
Hahahaha that's what you call specific? Calling Kalani a lazy coach? smh Boardname definitely does not fit.
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 11:53am
This exhibits the one of the worst styles of discussion on here.
MarylandFan
Apr 5, 12:08pm
RE: This exhibits the one of the worst styles of discussion on here.
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 12:18pm
You did it again.
MarylandFan
Apr 5, 12:41pm
LOL ... smh. Evidently YOU didn't read past his headlines. I read them all. They are very superficial at best.
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 2:06pm
Agreed. I don't think we have a common understanding of the word "specific"
MarylandFan
Apr 5, 3:18pm
RE: Agreed. I don't think we have a common understanding of the word "specific"
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 3:30pm
Of course, and I loved this gem.
MarylandFan
Apr 5, 3:47pm
So you don't agree then? What's your plan? Oh right ... you don't have any ideas. Gotcha
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 3:55pm
Coug has had some fantastic posts about this in the past
TNT
Apr 5, 9:32am
Calling timeouts out of halftime or out of another timeout.
MarylandFan
Apr 5, 9:23am
Could say the same thing about Kiffin and Sark. Yet they improved.
Socrates Johnson
Apr 5, 8:57am
I disagree.
Idacoug
Apr 5, 8:57am
This is simple revisionism. It just isn’t true.
Socrates Johnson
Apr 5, 9:07am
No it is true
TNT
Apr 5, 9:16am
Check MATE
gangbusters
Apr 5, 9:20am
Now that's some really deep thinking; great analytical mind.
Jasbo
Apr 5, 12:44pm
8 years of the same stuff. He’s a great guy, not a great coach. It’s not hard to
Idacoug
Apr 5, 8:56am
RE: 8 years of the same stuff. He’s a great guy, not a great coach. It’s not hard to
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 8:56am
RE: 8 years of the same stuff. He’s a great guy, not a great coach.
Idacoug
Apr 5, 8:57am
Arguing with Idacoug, a troll, is pointless
NYC and Japan
Apr 5, 9:14am
I'd love to know if you'd be ok with him if we had double digit win seasons
Iki_Balam
Apr 5, 11:29am
So… do you stick with a lovable loser forever just in case he gets it?
Longseason
Apr 5, 8:57am
A lot of Byu fans have this attitude.
Idacoug
Apr 5, 8:58am
All is well in Zion
TNT
Apr 5, 8:59am
He’s no more a loser than Sark at this point in Sark’s career.
Socrates Johnson
Apr 5, 9:16am
This take has already been considered and isn’t comparable to Sitake’s situation
Longseason
Apr 5, 9:33am
In your mind, perhaps. Not in any reality.
Socrates Johnson
Apr 5, 11:15am
RE: So… do you stick with a lovable loser forever just in case he gets it?
coventry94
Apr 5, 9:32am
oh now you are using Broncoisms "Flywheel" Careful or you'll incur the wrath of the Anti-Broncoites
BYU Grounds
Apr 5, 9:38am
I suppose if Sitake had a drinking problem
BlueFever
Apr 5, 9:01am
Remember the mess that was the locker room several seasons ago?
TNT
Apr 5, 9:02am
Yes, and that was another tell.
BlueFever
Apr 5, 9:06am
I'll counter your Sarkisian and Kiffin examples.
JJCoug
Apr 5, 9:02am
Kalani appears to have learned little from Whittingham
TNT
Apr 5, 9:03am
Or is unwilling to implement it.
shammy
Apr 5, 9:08am
Problem is they’ve been trying to implement KWhit’s style but BYU isn’t Utah
palangi
Apr 5, 9:24am
You mean recruiting felons kicked off other teams?
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 9:49am
Who did Saban learn from? How did he go from Kalani (@ MSU) to Saban the Great?
Socrates Johnson
Apr 5, 9:08am
As I admitted, I don't know his story as well as the others.
JJCoug
Apr 5, 9:15am
Kalani’s HC philosophy is similar to LaVell’s. Be a players coach. But that
Short_Changed
Apr 5, 9:22am
I think I agree with this. Both are examples of how it isn’t the same problems
Socrates Johnson
Apr 5, 9:24am
The best case that can be made is that you must move around to get better
Socrates Johnson
Apr 5, 9:23am
So many CB'ers assume that we have (or should have) a Top 15 team every year
darkcoug
Apr 5, 9:24am
Mediocre coach + HC + high academic standards = mediocre results.
Traveshamockery
Apr 5, 9:07am
25% of his seasons are the two worst in 50+ years. He sucks at clock and timeout management, getting his team up for all
byuTX
Apr 5, 9:13am
That doesn’t really answer the question. Why no chance of improvement
Socrates Johnson
Apr 5, 9:15am
Nobody knows the future but you can infer using the power of sight/logic, not just watch the film and love one another
byuTX
Apr 5, 9:26am
Sounds like same attitude that KS used to keep Tuiaki on staff far too long.
bluesloth
Apr 5, 9:27am
That's just good comedy
TNT
Apr 5, 9:34am
No chance of improvement? What is the threshold of number of years coached
BLT-Coug
Apr 5, 9:40am
Are you ignoring the Gary Crowton Years? Not only were '02-'04 worse,
Rise Against
Apr 5, 11:09am
Not to mention that he almost literally killed the football program.
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 11:13am
Gary didn't, some stupid players, a remorseful girl and some ALUFs did.
BYU Grounds
Apr 5, 12:34pm
Falls back on Crowton because he recruited those guys and obviously didn't impress upon them the importance of
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 3:00pm
2017 was worse. Our offense last year was worse. 2024 has the potential to be a 3 win season because of KS and co
byuTX
Apr 5, 6:30pm
How long should a school hang on to a coach just because there are a few
bluesloth
Apr 5, 9:15am
Depends on what its options are and how much it believes in the chances
Socrates Johnson
Apr 5, 9:30am
My counter argument: You saw a drive and strong will to win with those other
mudpupper
Apr 5, 9:19am
Sark & Lane have moved around a LOT
kapcreations
Apr 5, 9:21am
Like I said, that’s probably the best argument there is
Socrates Johnson
Apr 5, 9:31am
No. It's called passion to improve and be better than you currently are
TNT
Apr 5, 9:35am
Since being hired Kalani has made a lot of changes. A lot a lot. You aren't
Socrates Johnson
Apr 5, 11:44am
kalani is a great face for the program. He has an average to good OC and had a lousy DC. He has supposedly upgraded the
BYU Grounds
Apr 5, 9:34am
Kalani doesn't seem to improve unless he's forced to improve.
greatbam
Apr 5, 9:46am
TNT is pretty certain Holmoe forced Kalani to address the Tuaiki situation
TNT
Apr 5, 9:48am
Has Saban, Kiffin, or Sark EVER gone for it on 4th and 19 from their own 5?
UMWolverine
Apr 5, 11:50am
TLDR: Socrates is ok with bad coaching because “he might become good”
Grock
Apr 5, 12:28pm
So let me get this straight, you want to stay with a person, any person really
kimdaddy35
Apr 5, 12:36pm
I merely asked for evidence of the contrary view. I didn’t say there is no limit
Socrates Johnson
Apr 5, 2:00pm
Your argument is 100% a strawman argument and that is your response? Good
kimdaddy35
Apr 5, 2:07pm
What are you talking about? I didn't make an argument. I asked why people are so
Socrates Johnson
Apr 5, 4:02pm
If your best argument for keeping Kalani is he MIGHT get better, then his resume
ldssdl
Apr 5, 2:56pm
RE: If your best argument for keeping Kalani is he MIGHT get better, then his resume
ManicBlue
Apr 5, 3:02pm
That wasn't his argument at all. He was merely asking a question which nobody can adequately answer.
TheLoneCougar
Apr 5, 3:04pm
Not assessing Kalani specifically...but the existence of exceptions doesn't make everything an exception
krindorr
Apr 5, 11:01pm
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