Most of his contemporaries weren't taking steroids their whole careers

May 7, 2015
11:16:02am

donnerstag

I don't know where you came up with that. We will never know with Bonds where he would have landed on the GOAT list without the steroids. Willie Mays looks like the better all around player, especially when the steroids are factored in.

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POLL: The greatest living baseball player in MLB History is:

YardTime

5/6/15 11:02pm

Looks like Hank Aaron has lost a step.

garyfan

5/6/15 11:06pm

Nolan Ryan trumps Hendersen

jxncoog

5/6/15 11:09pm

RE: Nolan Ryan trumps Hendersen

YardTime

5/6/15 11:21pm

fwiw: I voted for Hank

jxncoog

5/6/15 11:34pm

All time records in walks, runs, and stolen bases

Josef K

5/7/15 12:35am

They both set records that will never be broken

KingDave

5/6/15 11:24pm

I don't think there has ever been a better lead off hitter

donnerstag

5/7/15 11:31am

Mays and Aaron are very close statistically speaking.

MantiCoug

5/6/15 11:09pm

Luis Gonzalez

nashty

5/6/15 11:10pm

Omar Vizquel

BlueFrog

5/6/15 11:24pm

Pedro Martinez?

blucoug18

5/6/15 11:24pm

I give the edge to Willie Mays over Hank based on defense

PING Man

5/6/15 11:25pm

I hadn't thought of this, this changes my vote

WhiteKnight

5/7/15 6:10am

And stolen bases.

mncougar

5/7/15 7:36am

Legends never die

billyrust

5/6/15 11:27pm

It has to be Willie Mays

donnerstag

5/6/15 11:46pm

Ozzie Smith

TonyStark

5/6/15 11:50pm

Charlie Hustle

BW84

5/7/15 12:16am

Barry, Willie, Hank, Roger, Alex, Rickey, Tom Seaver, Frank Robinson, Maddux,

Josef K

5/7/15 12:34am

Barry doesn't belong on the list

kimdaddy35

5/7/15 12:45am

Most used drugs of some kind or another.

Josef K

5/7/15 1:03am

LOL at your explanation

kimdaddy35

5/7/15 1:24am

Your pics show it all.

Josef K

5/7/15 9:08am

Of the 90's? Nah. He was a great player, but

Cochise Cat

5/7/15 1:39am

Bonds won three MVP awards in the 90s. Griffey won 1. Griffey hit for more power

SPORTS

5/7/15 7:22am

Also --Bonds stole a lot more bases. Griffey's best base stealing year would've

SPORTS

5/7/15 7:28am

Bonds had a higher WAR, higher OPS, more SB's, more runs, same avg, higher slg.

Josef K

5/7/15 9:01am

And he kills him in OBP, walks, strikeouts, and stolen bases. Griffey was a

SPORTS

5/7/15 9:24am

Griffey was a better fielder, had the same BA, and hit more HR's.

Cochise Cat

5/7/15 10:10am

Bonds' WAR for the nineties was the second highest for any decade since the 30's

Josef K

5/7/15 10:11am

Pre-steroids Bonds was the best MLB player since Mays. He was amazing. He hit

SPORTS

5/7/15 6:52am

The debate is between Aaron, Bonds or Mays

Busiturtle

5/7/15 6:32am

This.

SPORTS

5/7/15 6:52am

Bonds isn't in the discussion

blucoug18

5/7/15 8:39am

Pre-steroids he won 3 MVP awards and was the best player in baseball.

SPORTS

5/7/15 9:27am

We didn't make him take steroids.

SoCalCoug

5/7/15 9:56am

If we're honest, the pre-steroids Bonds was having a fantastic career

donnerstag

5/7/15 10:17am

probably inflated? Like hitting 73 HR at age 36?

blucoug18

5/7/15 10:21am

You missed the "in a dramatic way" part of my statement

donnerstag

5/7/15 10:32am

Exactly. His career BA would probably be in the high .280's or low .290's,

Cochise Cat

5/7/15 10:32am

You anti bonds folks are nuts.

Josef K

5/7/15 10:49am

Bonds began using after the 1998 season

kimdaddy35

5/7/15 11:07am

With a normal decline as he aged, he wouldn't have cracked 600.

Cochise Cat

5/7/15 11:24am

Okay so he was three months short of 35.

Josef K

5/7/15 11:31am

RE: Okay so he was three months short of 35.

kimdaddy35

5/7/15 11:35am

As in 9 months? LOL

kimdaddy35

5/7/15 11:37am

Huh? You said he started using after the 1998 season.

Josef K

5/7/15 11:57am

Why don't you understand? He was 34 when he started using

kimdaddy35

5/7/15 5:16pm

He turned 34 during the 1998 season. You said he started using after the 1998

Josef K

5/7/15 5:57pm

Welp, if nothing else, this thread has taught me that sasquatch lives, the

Cochise Cat

5/7/15 8:01pm

Actually, most baseball analytic websites are Bonds apologists.

Josef K

5/7/15 10:10pm

Most of his contemporaries weren't taking steroids their whole careers

donnerstag

5/7/15 11:16am

You think that if he had cheated his whole career, instead of only part of it,

Cochise Cat

5/7/15 11:22am

did I not just say that? We are talking greatest living player

blucoug18

5/7/15 10:19am

Maybe it should be G.O.A.T.S.E.

SoCalCoug

5/7/15 10:03am

I'd go with Mays. Hank's offensive numbers are a little better, but Willie Mays

SPORTS

5/7/15 7:08am

You have to take his post-steroids numbers with a grain of salt

donnerstag

5/7/15 10:41am

RE: POLL: The greatest living baseball player in MLB History is:

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