Yet those impressive stats didn't translate to defensive success for the team

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Dec 1, 2015
9:09:39pm

Medute All-American

Yet those impressive stats didn't translate to defensive success for the team

Oregon was atrocious on defense. Utah was excellent. Shouldn't that be considered?

I am trying to think of an analogy. Should a center who is #1 in the NBA in blocks win DPOY award if his team is 2nd to last in defense rankings. What if there is a guard who plays for the 2nd best defense in the league and is top 5 in the league in multiple other categories? Should the blocks simply trump everything else even though it didn't contribute to a dominating defense?

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Medute

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Did Gionni Paul get robbed?

Medute

12/1/15 8:47pm

No one cares

PING Man

12/1/15 8:49pm

Who is this Yanni Paul?

vegas guey

12/1/15 9:00pm

Ru Paul's brother

12/2/15 8:37am

The award is for best player, so no.

shimmy

12/1/15 8:49pm

Based on what? Stats, value to team, or future draft potential?

Medute

12/1/15 8:54pm

How do you compare stats between players at different positions? It is an

shimmy

12/1/15 8:57pm

Should you take into account the team's defensive performance?

Medute

12/1/15 9:06pm

No, you shouldn't.

southernfriedcougar

12/1/15 9:08pm

I dunno. If one player had a much better year, but his teammated were worse

shimmy

12/1/15 9:09pm

A guy like Jack would make way more sense than Buckner

Medute

12/1/15 9:20pm

You need to get over the tackle thing. A 4-3 MLB should have double or triple

shimmy

12/1/15 9:23pm

Ok, I am over the tackles, how about the 9 turnovers?

Medute

12/1/15 9:25pm

As for sacks. Orchard and Dimick had 18.5 and 10 respectively last year

Medute

12/1/15 9:28pm

Utah played a 3-4 last year? And Orchard was fantastic. I have never seen

shimmy

12/1/15 9:31pm

We can certainly agree on that QB statement

Medute

12/1/15 9:41pm

And by that same argument I hope you don't think Booker wins any awards.

shimmy

12/1/15 9:10pm

Utah was 4th in rushing offense despite facing a stacked box all year

Medute

12/1/15 9:25pm

Above Freeman? Not me.

southernfriedcougar

12/1/15 9:51pm

Great player who had a great season

Medute

12/1/15 9:59pm

And near the bottom in average. Total yards don't tell much of the story.

southernfriedcougar

12/1/15 10:22pm

Defenses can basically focus everything on Utah's running game

Medute

12/1/15 10:32pm

huh, I wonder if offenses would key on Buckner by doubling or triple teaming him

SCcoug

12/1/15 10:43pm

Like I said, great player who had a great season

Medute

12/2/15 5:59am

Plenty of teams have had meh QB play with great RB play.

southernfriedcougar

12/2/15 8:53am

By his teammates... probably yes.

12/1/15 8:49pm

Not bad

Medute

12/1/15 8:53pm

Definitely robbed of a quality education.

mobomanjoe

12/1/15 9:05pm

He has a strong argument, but I wouldn't say he got robbed. Buckner having more sacks and TFL's...

12/1/15 8:50pm

What about the 9 turnovers vs. 1. That's kind of a big stat, no?

Medute

12/1/15 9:23pm

Again, he has a strong argument, not denying that. I am just saying those stats...

12/1/15 10:19pm

I wouldn't put it past anyone up on the hill to rob him at any moment

cougarnerd

12/1/15 8:50pm

Gosh dang it, I was one minute late

cougarnerd

12/1/15 9:01pm

I hope that wasn't counted as one of his interceptions.

12/1/15 8:51pm

Yeah, looked like it hit the ground to me too

SpiffCoug

12/1/15 8:52pm

The gif doesn't show it well. In the instant replay with slow mo, it was a catch

Medute

12/1/15 8:52pm

In that case, maybe he just used up all his good karma in getting that call😃

12/1/15 9:41pm

The GIF shows it fine, it looked to me (and TV announcers, IIRC)

12/1/15 10:50pm

You guys should have started harassing the voting media members sooner.

SCcoug

12/1/15 8:51pm

#BetterCallGill

darkcoug

12/1/15 8:53pm

I thought that was Hatfield

concolor couguar

12/1/15 8:53pm

No. Hatfield just accidently ended up with his award.

byubyu

12/1/15 8:53pm

DeForest Buckner won the award, but Hatfield has it in his possession

darkcoug

12/1/15 8:54pm

If he was hanging around Paris Warren, then yeah, he got robbed.

WDaddy

12/1/15 8:53pm

No worries, Parris has protection.

byubyu

12/1/15 8:57pm

No, he is not even the best linebacker in the state of Utah.

Wingnut

12/1/15 8:54pm

I will admit that he does have a fantastic linebackers coach.

Wingnut

12/1/15 8:55pm

Desmond Howard would have voted for Buckner

BYUheaven

12/1/15 8:54pm

Statistically, he looks like he had a better year

FiveTen-BuckEighty

12/1/15 8:56pm

Agreed. Although he did get the weekly award attention from the conference

Medute

12/1/15 8:59pm

Something else that factors in though, for a DE Buckners stats were huge

FiveTen-BuckEighty

12/1/15 9:02pm

This^^^ stats between lb and DE aren't really comparable

BYUheaven

12/1/15 9:04pm

Buckner is a 3-4 DE - that was a huge year!

FiveTen-BuckEighty

12/1/15 9:09pm

Yet those impressive stats didn't translate to defensive success for the team

Medute

12/1/15 9:09pm

Utah's defense was excellent?

SpiffCoug

12/1/15 9:34pm

You have to look at stats within the conference

Medute

12/1/15 9:40pm

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quackaddict

12/1/15 8:57pm

DeFo will be a 1st round draft pick, so no, paul wasn't "robbed"

quackaddict

12/1/15 8:58pm

He's a great player and looks like he'll make a great pro

Medute

12/1/15 9:01pm

That doesn't really have anything to do with the college award

southernfriedcougar

12/1/15 9:07pm

based on the stats, yes

warp

12/1/15 9:00pm

Probably. Awards are way political so I'd guess yes.

12/1/15 9:02pm

Paul was solid, but I'm not sure.

Downtown

12/1/15 9:02pm

At least he wasn't shot. Did they ever try to catch those guys? Still can't

Rocketman

12/1/15 9:13pm

He is really good. I thought he would have won it.

Mathew

12/1/15 9:13pm

CougarindaOC gave me a thumbs down! This post was totally worth it!

Medute

12/1/15 9:14pm

Thanks for taking the time to post those gifs too

12/1/15 9:15pm

The extra 1 minute to google "Gionni Paul Gif" was worth it to watch them again

Medute

12/1/15 9:21pm

Is that Paul with the balloons?

Florwood

12/2/15 8:38am

No, it was the right choice. Paul is in a system that helps his succcess.

Cougarrrs

12/1/15 9:23pm

Hard to go wrong either way

dixdog

12/1/15 9:27pm

Has anyone heard from Gunther since this was announced? He has to be crapping

CougsOrDeath

12/1/15 9:28pm

An Oregon dedender winning the award just seems wrong

wapiti

12/1/15 9:29pm

Why? It's an individual performance award, not a team award.

southernfriedcougar

12/1/15 9:58pm

I like Tomasi Laulile's moves over Paul's

CMuehle

12/1/15 9:31pm

Antonio Longino is better than both

MormonDevil

12/1/15 9:53pm

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