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Jul 21, 2019
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Dynasty1
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So you agree that it wasn’t a military defeat but rather a political calculation
of not having a long term path to victory?
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75 yrs ago,Claus von Stauffenberg tried to kill Hitler
MatthiasG
7/21/19 1:05am
That quote from his son is spot on:
Game Changer
7/21/19 1:51am
Yep, I have relatives that immigrated to the US in the late 30's from Germany
MatthiasG
7/21/19 2:15am
Thanks for sharing...
So it goes...
7/21/19 2:20am
RE: Yep, I have relatives that immigrated to the US in the late 30's from
Borg
7/21/19 6:49am
Die Weiße Rose is very well known
Dissenter
7/21/19 6:24am
There were others, this board would probably be interested in Helmuth Hubener.
Blue Coat
7/21/19 6:28am
A great book, Hubener vs Hitler is about the LDS youth
HighHorse
7/21/19 7:33am
There's a documentary on him on YouTube as well
califcougar
7/21/19 7:54am
Something to think about is in WW1 Germany's military was not defeated. In fact
Dynasty1
7/21/19 7:04am
Many of the German people hated Hitler by the end of the war, yet
HighHorse
7/21/19 7:35am
The German military was definitely defeated in WW1. The fact that the Allied powers
Clark Addison
7/21/19 10:22am
Within weeks? Not even close. Even after the US joined the war effort we barely
Dynasty1
7/21/19 10:37am
Is weeks optimistic? Maybe, but the allies were already advancing; it wasn't as if there had just
Clark Addison
7/21/19 10:55am
So you agree that it wasn’t a military defeat but rather a political calculation
Dynasty1
7/21/19 10:58am
No. It wasn't the political leaders who decided to end it, it was the military leaders. And supply
Clark Addison
7/21/19 11:12am
I think we're arguing semantics here and totally going off topic from my
Dynasty1
7/21/19 11:31am
Yes, some of it is semantics (and we partly do not disagree). I will say that the politicians signed
Clark Addison
7/21/19 11:36am
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