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Feb 10, 2016
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PharmD
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How do you think the canyon roads will be on a bike?
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I just drove down to Provo and back to SLC for a meeting. I don't think I could
Flippy
2/10/16 2:24pm
Today is the worst day this winter so far.
Carnac el Magnifico
2/10/16 2:25pm
I'm surprised you found your way without being able to see the mountains.
PharmD
2/10/16 2:26pm
How did he even know which direction he was headed?!
YIsForBrigham
2/10/16 2:27pm
RE: How did he even know which direction he was headed?!
Deleted
2/10/16 2:33pm
Today some of that is fog. Was this morning anyway.
soupie
2/10/16 2:26pm
Left SLC at 9:30, returned at noon. It was gray and hazy the entire way.
Flippy
2/10/16 2:27pm
80's and 90's the inversion was much, much worse......
Bonoman
2/10/16 2:28pm
Yeah, mid to late 80s were awful. This year is minor. People just complain more now.
Turnpike Lane
2/10/16 2:48pm
I wish there were numbers to back that up. I've lived here all my life, and I
Cougarfan777
2/10/16 2:56pm
I agree. I've only been here since 1992 but I don't recall any week this bad.
Finngirl
2/10/16 3:02pm
I did find a live SLC haze cam earlier today
Yoshinobu
2/10/16 2:28pm
Go to airnow.gov and click on the Current AQI tab.
Dr taylore90
2/10/16 2:32pm
As a Utahn I own it. I've been gulping in lungfuls as a matter of pride.
Carnac el Magnifico
2/10/16 2:34pm
^Regularly drinks fry sauce through a straw
Dr taylore90
2/10/16 2:36pm
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Carnac el Magnifico
2/10/16 2:37pm
I take fry souce intravenously
Carnac el Magnifico
2/10/16 2:38pm
Oh my...
Dr taylore90
2/10/16 2:39pm
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Buffalo
2/10/16 2:34pm
Yes. It's disgusting. I can't believe most of you act like it's no big deal.
Flippy
2/10/16 2:35pm
He's worried about all the dolphins living in Utah that have to breathe it.
Carnac el Magnifico
2/10/16 2:36pm
Nope. I just moved from a place with nice air and realized how crappy it is here
Flippy
2/10/16 2:37pm
Luckily it is temporary in SLC
Carnac el Magnifico
2/10/16 2:39pm
And then again in the summer.
foofcoug
2/10/16 2:57pm
it USED to be a few weeks in January. Now it starts in December and depending on the winter,
Finngirl
2/10/16 3:03pm
This winter has NOT been as bad as many past winters, but this week has been
ByuMba90
2/10/16 2:37pm
I was planning on a nice outdoor bike ride on Saturday...I think I'll just skip
PharmD
2/10/16 2:37pm
Just get above the inversion
Carnac el Magnifico
2/10/16 2:40pm
I guess that's why everybody loves Utah's snow and mountains:
Yoshinobu
2/10/16 2:42pm
How do you think the canyon roads will be on a bike?
PharmD
2/10/16 2:42pm
lol...true
Carnac el Magnifico
2/10/16 2:46pm
Yeah, no good on your lungs to do that.
Finngirl
2/10/16 3:04pm
It's a gorgeous, sunny, blue sky day up here in Park City!
Rise Against
2/10/16 2:38pm
By "up here" do you mean North or South?
YIsForBrigham
2/10/16 2:40pm
He means east and up about 2,000 feet in elevation
Carnac el Magnifico
2/10/16 2:41pm
east is up and west is down
budYu
2/10/16 2:56pm
Been a mild year for inversions. Almost had none in January, which is amazing.
Cougarfan777
2/10/16 2:51pm
I guess it's something that everyone who decides to live in Utah must come to
Flippy
2/10/16 2:55pm
It's awful. There is no other words for it. My goal is to get out when the
Cougarfan777
2/10/16 3:04pm
Hmmm...I love it here. Just needs less Ute fans.
PharmD
2/10/16 3:07pm
What you fail to understand is it's not that bad is a shortcut. Today is quite bad. It's not very frequent. Infrequently
TaiJuan
2/10/16 3:00pm
it is much worse than it used to be. Maybe the legislators will pay attention when its as bad as China.
Finngirl
2/10/16 3:06pm
Better yet, maybe the transplants who spend their lives shaking their fists at the Utah legislature will pack their
TaiJuan
2/10/16 3:09pm
"Pre-Columbian days".... LOL
Finngirl
2/10/16 3:21pm
What's the LOL for? 1846 works fine for me too. The geography was the same.
TaiJuan
2/10/16 3:23pm
You're basically denying that there is crap in the air that wasn't there 150 years ago.
Finngirl
2/10/16 3:25pm
No. You are one of the most dishonest posters here, so let me spell it out for you. I admitted there is pollution. I
TaiJuan
2/10/16 3:28pm
So you do admit there is pollution. And its worse than in years previous? Yes?
Finngirl
2/10/16 3:48pm
Forgive me for thinking you are dismissing pollution when you say this:
Finngirl
2/10/16 3:49pm
You seem to be thinking that Fog and haze did not exist before humans started burning things.
TaiJuan
2/10/16 3:53pm
No, I am thinking you were unclear in your post.
Finngirl
2/10/16 3:59pm
Do you understand that temperature and geography create the temperature inversion? The temperature inversion exacerbates
TaiJuan
2/10/16 4:19pm
Yes, I am clear on how inversions "exacerbate" the impact of pollution.
Finngirl
2/10/16 4:29pm
Hold the phone. What do you mean by climate control?
TaiJuan
2/10/16 4:39pm
You know what I mean, but lets not trash this (marginally productive) thread for a "Is there
Finngirl
2/10/16 4:57pm
Absolutely.
TaiJuan
2/10/16 3:52pm
Good to know.
Finngirl
2/10/16 3:58pm
Do you have an opinion as to what can be done to remediate it?
Finngirl
2/10/16 4:00pm
Sure. California-level emissions for vehicles. No woodburning except under certain very rare exceptions. There are limit
TaiJuan
2/10/16 4:16pm
I dont know the number but its something ridic, like in the double digits, of wood burning homes left in UT.
Finngirl
2/10/16 4:26pm
You've hit on the head why this isn't easy to solve. Reducing building and vehicle emissions isn't easy without major
TaiJuan
2/10/16 4:44pm
It's very easy to disincentivize driving.
Finngirl
2/10/16 4:56pm
No, I don't care about that debate. I care about whether you think Climate Chane is what causes inversions. And if so,
TaiJuan
2/10/16 5:00pm
Meant for question above.
TaiJuan
2/10/16 5:01pm
I am not interested in a debate on whether you think climate change is real or not.
Finngirl
2/10/16 5:05pm
Nor a debate on, assuming you think its real, whether it impacts the severity of inversions.
Finngirl
2/10/16 5:06pm
Okay, but clear up for me the salient issue. What do you think causes inversions and how does climate change impact it?
TaiJuan
2/10/16 5:07pm
I did not invite climate change to this party, you did. So explain your position or apologize for trying to take us down
TaiJuan
2/10/16 5:09pm
I will re-write my statement above to just address my main point, which was pollution.
Finngirl
2/10/16 5:20pm
If you want to play scientist and link something supporting you position (the AGW makes inversions worse) I will be
TaiJuan
2/10/16 5:26pm
I think its been covered once or twice on the board.
Finngirl
2/10/16 6:23pm
One of the two of us is confused. I hope it isn't me, but I have never seen a comparison between AGW and its
TaiJuan
2/10/16 6:52pm
How do you disincentivize driving. The details are what matter here. New building standards are fine.
TaiJuan
2/10/16 5:05pm
Cost. How do you disincentivize anything?
Finngirl
2/10/16 5:22pm
That's a dodge. Give me something concrete. We talking gas tax? Mileage rationing? What?
TaiJuan
2/10/16 5:27pm
yes, and yes, or a combination
Finngirl
2/10/16 6:23pm
Those aren't politically feasible, IMO. The ones big enough to make a difference would be hugely disruptive to peoples'
TaiJuan
2/10/16 6:49pm
I disagree.
Finngirl
2/11/16 10:31am
maybe when pregnant women can't be pregnant for 6 months, instead of "just" 2 months,
Finngirl
2/11/16 10:56am
I am pretty sure holding refineries to the law, which already exists, is not untenable.
Finngirl
2/10/16 4:27pm
We're not even in the unhealthy category yet. With snow cover on the ground you
93 cougar
2/10/16 3:03pm
Not true; we are in the "Unhealthy" category. 153 where "everyone will experience health effects" and
Finngirl
2/10/16 3:07pm
Small part of SLC is 153 but most is still orange.
93 cougar
2/10/16 4:46pm
if we are looking at the same chart, I think you may be confusing the forecast (orange) with the current (red).
Finngirl
2/10/16 4:59pm
No I was looking at the current. Maybe it was differing based on the city?
93 cougar
2/10/16 10:05pm
You drove? Why not take FrontRunner and not gunk up the air for the rest of us?
Cachanilla83
2/10/16 3:50pm
I was up at the U today. I think it was worse over by the mountains and up on
BlazersCougarsDucks
2/10/16 4:52pm
It might look bad, but unlike China this doesn't cause asthma
Jamesiator
2/10/16 5:50pm
sunny and 60 degrees in Denver
Jimmy Rocket
2/11/16 12:48pm
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