Will be interesting to hear what Worthen says today

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Oct 31, 2014
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Thoughts from BYU Pres. and VP of Advancement (over Athletics)

WiCougarman

10/31/14 7:03am

a lot of wiggle room here, but that is a little bit concerning.

Iman23

10/31/14 7:12am

Agree with the sentiment.

BluePete

10/31/14 7:13am

I think there are still a fair number of schools who also dont want college

vacougfan

10/31/14 7:15am

Then pull the plug now. No sense in stringing the fanbase along with half-yewt

UNLVcougar

10/31/14 8:00am

Can't. I'm fresh out of authority.

BluePete

10/31/14 8:05am

Thanks Wi man.. disappointing to hear the comment by the VP of Athletics

jota

10/31/14 7:18am

I'm glad they acknowledged the importance of winning though.

GA_Coug

10/31/14 7:25am

Yea, this should be good news to loyal fans

Busiturtle

10/31/14 8:18am

Social media sites can be useful in finding valuable information

GA_Coug

10/31/14 7:21am

In other words, BYU won't pay players a stipend?

zelph

10/31/14 7:26am

I think the stipend for full cost of attendance is something they will do

BYUFam1

10/31/14 7:28am

Holmoe already announced BYU would match the power conferences on stipends

bluefish

10/31/14 9:55am

Those words weren't in the quote. Saying that is what they meant is putting

lightmann

10/31/14 9:10am

Translation:

randomplay

10/31/14 7:33am

That's called monetizing and merchandising, not professionalizing

jota

10/31/14 7:39am

Agree

Busiturtle

10/31/14 7:44am

Better translation:

NewMexiCoug

10/31/14 7:44am

I agree with most of what you're saying,

randomplay

10/31/14 7:57am

I generally agree with what you are saying. I think a big thick line is being

NewMexiCoug

10/31/14 8:21am

Your analogy resonates,

randomplay

10/31/14 9:22am

Very good points. Unfortunately, BYU cannot control what the emerging

NewMexiCoug

10/31/14 6:55pm

True

randomplay

10/31/14 9:16pm

You're missing the picture. BYU football will remain profitable regardless.

Yunit

10/31/14 12:23pm

Good thoughts. Two potential problems, though. First, what about Title IX?

NewMexiCoug

10/31/14 7:04pm

Mens teams will be cut...Tennis, Golf, Swim, etc.

CougarPilot

11/1/14 9:11am

If other schools with larger budgets do the same, then we are right back where

NewMexiCoug

11/1/14 12:40pm

Title IX would not apply if BYU professionalized sports. My good friend

Yunit

11/1/14 1:26pm

Interesting to hear. However, professionalizing CFB would turn it completely

NewMexiCoug

11/4/14 7:58pm

How is that any different than what BYU is going through today?

Yunit

11/4/14 8:44pm

See my comment above...

Yunit

11/1/14 1:30pm

The church just spent a few billion dollars in a shopping center

kotacoug

10/31/14 8:12am

That would represent an entirely different model for funding BYU Athletics

NewMexiCoug

10/31/14 8:28am

oh dread

warp

10/31/14 8:37am

I really doubt the Church wants to get into the professional sports

NewMexiCoug

10/31/14 8:53am

revenue comes form general donations to the Church

kotacoug

10/31/14 9:04am

That seed money was generated decades or even a century ago. The only way

NewMexiCoug

10/31/14 7:08pm

RE: The church just spent a few billion dollars in a shopping center

panguitch

10/31/14 8:38am

what's your problem then if the Brethren say the football program needs

kotacoug

10/31/14 9:06am

RE: what's your problem then if the Brethren say the football program needs

panguitch

10/31/14 9:16am

haha OK the $$ didn't come from 'tithing' it came from 'donations' to the

kotacoug

10/31/14 9:29am

and for the record, I have no issue whatsoever with the Church building

kotacoug

10/31/14 9:30am

RE: haha OK the $$ didn't come from 'tithing' it came from 'donations' to the

panguitch

10/31/14 10:19am

maybe then the bigger issue is the fact

whiteninja

10/31/14 10:35am

RE: maybe then the bigger issue is the fact

panguitch

10/31/14 10:48am

The whole university system is based on bailouts. You think the

kotacoug

10/31/14 11:08am

RE: The whole university system is based on bailouts. - This is ridiculous

Maximumkungfu

10/31/14 3:15pm

You're confused...

kingpin2k

10/31/14 5:35pm

No I'm not.

Maximumkungfu

10/31/14 6:47pm

Allow me to correct your ignorance

kingpin2k

10/31/14 9:52pm

Thanks for the correction on title 9 but...

Maximumkungfu

11/1/14 7:26am

The real estate developemt arm is largely funded by donations to the church

kotacoug

10/31/14 11:18am

Now that they are paying the athlete, its only a matter of time before

bald man

10/31/14 7:38am

Whether BYU admins like it or not it's already headed that way

RockyBalboa

10/31/14 7:39am

this. did you see the recent Pac12 policies?

run26

10/31/14 9:03am

I've always figured that if required to pay athletes, BYU would get out of

Texas Hammer

10/31/14 7:42am

Some of the critizing isn't critizing. its flat out attacks and refects

bald man

10/31/14 7:46am

True. No such thing as "constructive" criticism.....for some

SUAVO

10/31/14 8:18am

So you're saying that the difference is based on intent

CoopDizz

10/31/14 8:18am

Hm, not really. If you understand English, tone, and word usage

bald man

10/31/14 8:37am

That's a tremendous oversimplification, particularly regarding the written word

CoopDizz

10/31/14 8:44am

I don't see how we aren't talking about the same thing here

bald man

10/31/14 8:55am

The CB rules lay out fairly clearly the "proper" way to be "non-positive" or to

ByuMba90

10/31/14 8:40am

There's an easy way to spot 95% of the "bashing"

El Jefe

10/31/14 8:47am

Constructive criticism can be accomplished without injecting

bald man

10/31/14 9:00am

Of course it can, but that's not logically equivalent to saying negativity -

CoopDizz

10/31/14 10:34am

links?

BYUtiful

10/31/14 9:21am

But Bronco gets a free pass in labling the fans...

Smoke Monster

10/31/14 9:51am

I don't think Bronco got a free pass for the Sadducees comment.

bald man

10/31/14 10:02am

I do believe there really is a mindset at BYU...

Smoke Monster

10/31/14 10:10am

I think on the same wavelength as you here.

bald man

10/31/14 10:22am

Well said. Funny how hit pigeons still flutter (ref: responses here)

BluePete

10/31/14 10:08am

I am constantly amazed how our society doesn't want to accept

bald man

10/31/14 10:11am

Ban the word Bossy right now... and don't you dare say Illegal or else

Smoke Monster

10/31/14 10:14am

Like which critique do you consider a personal attack?

CougarEatU

10/31/14 11:08am

I fully agree some have gone off the rails and are flat out embarrassing

MatthiasG

10/31/14 8:29pm

I would ask for links, but I don't think your straw man has any

byutx

10/31/14 8:42pm

How did you sell tickets? We marketed to interested people ... Are they though?

Art Director

10/31/14 7:43am

RE: Thoughts from BYU Pres. and VP of Advancement (over Athletics)

concolor couguar

10/31/14 7:45am

RE: Thoughts from BYU Pres. and VP of Advancement (over Athletics)

fan32

10/31/14 7:57am

Not fans because people are upset with state of the program? That's ridiculous.

garyfan

10/31/14 8:05am

Most universities couldn't afford to "professionalize" sports

CBaass

10/31/14 8:23am

Will be interesting to hear what Worthen says today

unctoothman

10/31/14 8:28am

RE: Will be interesting to hear what Worthen says today

WiCougarman

10/31/14 8:32am

VP context

WiCougarman

10/31/14 8:31am

What gets posted on CB is pretty tame compared to other fan sites.

Texas Hammer

10/31/14 8:44am

The problem with CB is the crazies outnumber those making well-reasoned comments

NewMexiCoug

10/31/14 8:45am

"Everybody is crazy but me."

UNLVcougar

10/31/14 8:49am

I would say it's the opposite

Sea Chicken

10/31/14 8:50am

Good point. I was going by volume

NewMexiCoug

10/31/14 8:55am

I thought the final word your post was leading up to was "insanity" and then you

ByuMba90

10/31/14 9:01am

Ah, the ol' "he doesn't agree with me, so he must be crazy" approach. lol

Texas Hammer

10/31/14 9:11am

I disagree on your ratio. Maybe 1/4

lawboy

10/31/14 8:51am

I don't disagree, but I don't think we're seeing "passion". As you noted,

ByuMba90

10/31/14 9:04am

That absolutely is passion.

lawboy

10/31/14 9:12am

One person's "passion" is another's "crazies"

Texas Hammer

10/31/14 9:12am

RE: VP context

Smoke Monster

10/31/14 9:54am

i would think that the fans should be happy to know that they are aware of the

macaroni

10/31/14 11:10am

Stanford has said the same thing about paying athletes.

Josef K

10/31/14 9:08am

They may say they won't pay, but when it comes down to it, they'll do as they're

vacougfan

10/31/14 9:20am

Stanford would choose the Ivy League model over the pro model.

Josef K

10/31/14 11:00am

I would completely understand BYU abandoning athletics if they go pro

jhingman

10/31/14 9:38am

If they go pro the NFL will likely lift its rules encouraging athletes to attend

JAGA97

10/31/14 11:37am

Possibly, and that would completely destroy college football as we know it

jhingman

10/31/14 11:47am

It wouldn't surprise me to see several states bring about new legislation.

JAGA97

10/31/14 2:44pm

So according to the VP, you're not a fan if you say anything negative?

Harrison0Yfan

10/31/14 9:45am

You read more into that comment than do.

dratax

10/31/14 9:58am

Would you care to point out that is what he said or even meant or is

Real G Man

10/31/14 11:17am

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deljdc

10/31/14 1:27pm

The truth is, and always has been, that it is not criticism of the coach that is

rockhound

10/31/14 1:27pm

The truth is, you're calling things personal attacks

CougarEatU

10/31/14 2:14pm

Those of you saying I'm reading into this too much,

Harrison0Yfan

10/31/14 5:06pm

I get not being happy with some of the stuff in the last month

Blue for Life

10/31/14 10:01am

Hey, he was right: it did end up on Cougarboard!

Japan Coug

10/31/14 11:32am

It already is professionalized.... It's just universities, TV, NCAA etc. are

kingpin2k

10/31/14 1:46pm

Fans aren't Yes-men. Fans have differing opinions and many speak their minds...

icecougar

10/31/14 8:01pm

Pretty lame to correct the name of your most passionate fans as "affiliates".

8man

10/31/14 9:27pm

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