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Here is why BYU doesn't compete with the top national programs very often...
bluefish
11/20/14 4:18pm
Yeah, none of that went on in the 1980's
Sea Chicken
11/20/14 4:22pm
And we have many of the same results then, too
Justinodhan
11/20/14 4:26pm
BYU/LaVell tolerated plenty in the 80's
acougfan
11/20/14 5:32pm
Jim McMahon's Book will tell you all you need to know
Ymer Dunker
11/20/14 10:08pm
He didn't tolerate it...
BaYoU
11/21/14 12:53pm
you are wrong
acougfan
11/21/14 4:49pm
I'm not saying players didn't misbehave...
BaYoU
11/22/14 1:00am
So you're like many of BYU fans who aren't so much fanatics about football but
Gerald-DeGroot
11/20/14 4:25pm
Can you be both?
TrueAndBlue
11/20/14 4:32pm
Yes. And No.
Gerald-DeGroot
11/20/14 4:35pm
I think that's true in many cases. But I also think there are a ton of die hard
TrueAndBlue
11/20/14 4:38pm
I do as well. I think.
Gerald-DeGroot
11/20/14 4:41pm
Agreed. It shouldn't be an excuse. We are all expected to be excellent at our
TrueAndBlue
11/20/14 4:48pm
Um, here's a radical concept: The Church owns BYU, so they get to set the rules
BeardedSpock
11/20/14 4:33pm
They could also put millions more $$ into the program
kotacoug
11/20/14 4:35pm
I think the Church wants the program to be self-sufficient more than Top 25
BeardedSpock
11/20/14 4:41pm
What's funny with that logic is fans
DaveLB
11/20/14 4:57pm
ESPN is not unhappy with the BYU contract
BaYoU
11/21/14 11:13am
More evidence ESPN is happy with BYU is all the scheduling arrangements thay are
Lance71
11/21/14 11:34am
Yep
BaYoU
11/21/14 12:36pm
They do value the program as a missionary tool but
P-Town2P-Town
11/20/14 5:27pm
With that line if thinking in wonder how the widow feels about the 2 billion$
kotacoug
11/20/14 6:33pm
I don't know, but my guess is
P-Town2P-Town
11/20/14 8:35pm
Great let's do the same for football
kotacoug
11/20/14 9:47pm
Touché
P-Town2P-Town
11/20/14 10:11pm
Couldn't agree more
TrueAndBlue
11/20/14 10:22pm
We are, aren't we?
BaYoU
11/21/14 12:58pm
They have
BaYoU
11/21/14 12:42pm
Thats not where I was going with my post. At all.
Gerald-DeGroot
11/20/14 4:36pm
Hard to tell with your subtle snipe about fans of a "Church owned university"
BeardedSpock
11/20/14 4:39pm
I don't want the church to really do much differently.
Gerald-DeGroot
11/20/14 4:47pm
First off, is BYU is "mediocre" there are about 70-80 Division I schools that
BeardedSpock
11/20/14 4:55pm
I can't debate with people that don't see how mediocre
Gerald-DeGroot
11/20/14 5:25pm
Pretty lofty expectations considering his record against decent teams.
DaveLB
11/20/14 5:39pm
What a strange comment. You would rather see BYU cheat, abandon it's principles,
Lance71
11/20/14 4:35pm
Yep. That's exactly what I said. Word for word.
Gerald-DeGroot
11/20/14 5:27pm
I didn't get that extreme from the post...
icecougar
11/20/14 8:12pm
more like they're fans of Bronco first and then fans of BYU football
icecougar
11/20/14 7:46pm
Maybe this explains SOME of the difference. Stanford plays by the rules.
Still Questing
11/20/14 4:26pm
I'm sure Stanford tolerates drug and alcohol abuse. And partying
TrueAndBlue
11/20/14 4:33pm
Ah, my bad, I missed #5. That automatically kicks out every FBS team but BYU.
Still Questing
11/20/14 4:34pm
Yeah but I also think it's a cop out. The other ones are a disadvantage for sure
TrueAndBlue
11/20/14 4:36pm
Yeah, just stating the obvious - #5 was only needed to make the game pointless.
Still Questing
11/20/14 4:38pm
Look, BYU comes close enough at times to reasonably think that they can
boogers
11/20/14 4:31pm
Bronco is pushing the program into a service academy mode that we
kotacoug
11/20/14 4:33pm
I just don't see that at all. He's odd, but not that odd.
boogers
11/20/14 4:35pm
Wrong. Its not Bronco, its the administration, from the top down...
bluefish
11/20/14 5:59pm
Bronco has taken it to a whole new level
kotacoug
11/20/14 6:34pm
Name a coach we could hire that would get us into a power conference?
bluefish
11/20/14 5:51pm
We could be A LOT better than we are with some changes in the culture
kotacoug
11/20/14 4:31pm
See, I don't know if its a culture issue or just a talent issue.
boogers
11/20/14 4:34pm
They go hand in hand. The culture ends up dictating the talent
kotacoug
11/20/14 4:47pm
I don't know. BYU has never had deep talent. They've had the stars align
boogers
11/20/14 4:50pm
I recently ran into a former player and we talked at length about this.
TrueAndBlue
11/20/14 4:35pm
Curious, what did the player think should change? Was he a starter?
boogers
11/20/14 4:38pm
Just got in my car, will post later
kotacoug
11/20/14 4:39pm
My list of things the top programs do are all part of a program "culture"...
bluefish
11/20/14 5:54pm
Offenses have changed to be more like BYU's was in the 80's and defenses
ByuMba90
11/20/14 4:35pm
Agreed. This is why we lose to Utah regularly. Whittingham figured us out...
bluefish
11/20/14 5:55pm
utah? BSU?
nashty
11/20/14 4:40pm
Not buying it.
bluefish
11/20/14 6:01pm
It doesn't help that our coaches tend to suck.
Real Men Wear Blue
11/20/14 5:01pm
Look, we're out to prove that we CAN get it done with BYU's standards.
CalGTR
11/20/14 5:35pm
Agreed. I didn't say I hope we fail. But after 20 years, I'm a realist...
bluefish
11/20/14 5:57pm
So were we doing something from points 1-6 at the beginning of this year? We
Jam Master J
11/20/14 7:08pm
if we cultivated mined Polynesia and Africa through the church
Y05
11/20/14 7:47pm
Like Monson said
crookedUTE
11/20/14 9:06pm
I haven't looked into whether or not they've finished top 5, but Mark Richt at
FierceArc
11/20/14 11:11pm
Hogwash (I can say hogwash now that I'm in my 40's)
marklar39
11/20/14 11:50pm
I just don't believe cheating gives people an advantage
deljdc
11/21/14 7:57am
do you want to quantify how long long term is?
Y05
11/21/14 8:09am
Tennesee was on top and took a dive. Texas was on top and took a dive. USC was
deljdc
11/21/14 4:56pm
but what about the long term collusion the P5 has going with no end in sigh
Y05
11/22/14 1:13am
I agree that this poses a big danger to BYU, but I don't view that
deljdc
11/22/14 6:37am
I agree. But look at who's winning national championships in football...
bluefish
11/21/14 11:11am
That's the part of the country that has the players.
deljdc
11/21/14 4:53pm
But you wouldn't know if it did, right? i mean we hear about
SaltLakeCoug
11/21/14 7:35pm
Translation: Let's not worry about being mediocre because unless you cheat, you
BYUisLife
11/21/14 8:23am
Agreed...
crookedUTE
11/21/14 4:51pm
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