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Mar 5, 2015
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PolarisPrime
Ive reffed basketball for almost as long
and shame on you
You have probably yelled at me over some of these things.
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25 most misunderstood basketball rules...
StantonMac
3/5/15 12:46pm
Part of the problem is that so many rules are different in different leagues.
SandYFan
3/5/15 12:51pm
In FIBA rules at least 13, 22, 23 & 25 are different. Pretty sure 23 is
downtownchrisbrown
3/5/15 1:56pm
#1: block vs charge
SJS
3/5/15 12:51pm
Problem with this is it is never consistently called...
Fdnman
3/5/15 12:52pm
It's a hard one. Have to track where players' feet are, who is moving when,
SandYFan
3/5/15 12:53pm
Actually it's not hard at all.
PolarisPrime
3/5/15 3:00pm
As far as the rule is concerned, if the defender gets there first and doesn't
db59840
3/5/15 3:09pm
It gets a little harder if the defender isn't in legal guarding position
PolarisPrime
3/5/15 4:32pm
#23 FTW! People never understand that yewtin' rule
BYUCougarsFan
3/5/15 12:51pm
23 is a little incomplete
sdg_coug
3/5/15 3:25pm
I was thinking 23 was wrong on dribble.
PJMort
3/5/15 4:21pm
Is a pivot foot established if you obtain the ball while only having one foot on
QBarrister
3/5/15 4:39pm
Yes. The foot on the ground is the pivot foot.
Y'zFan
3/5/15 7:51pm
So then in the fastbreak layup scenario, the catcher is supposed to catch the
QBarrister
3/6/15 8:06am
His foot can come off the ground as long as he releases the shot before
Y'zFan
3/6/15 9:00pm
11 and 23 are called constantly, especially in pickup ball.
Thrill
3/5/15 12:53pm
The Euro step looks all the world like traveling, though. I kinda hate it.
SandYFan
3/5/15 12:54pm
Love the euro step
CSoul
3/5/15 12:59pm
People who do Euro steps usually travel while doing so. Another thing people
db59840
3/5/15 1:28pm
yup
icecougar
3/5/15 3:23pm
otoh, kids today don't understand that when you catch the ball in a stationery..
icecougar
3/5/15 3:22pm
#20 block/charge: anyone who thinks you can't be moving to take a charge is dumb
SoCalCoug6
3/5/15 12:55pm
My understanding
22jrob22
3/5/15 1:02pm
#1 - A defender does not have to fall for a charge to be called.
CosmoK
3/5/15 3:38pm
Haha, there's a lot of dumb refs out there.
cougfromcali
3/5/15 1:06pm
9 is interesting.
SandYFan
3/5/15 12:56pm
Yeah, amazing how many bball players don't realize this rule.
SoCalCoug6
3/5/15 12:58pm
This rule is used alot in church ball due to subpar shooters!
Cougz19
3/5/15 2:08pm
Did not know this rule#9.... good to know. Do pro's have the same rule?
ClackamasCoug
3/5/15 3:58pm
Its different in the NBA
CaliWG
3/5/15 4:25pm
#22
22jrob22
3/5/15 12:56pm
Likely, the list is put together by "rules interpreter" for the OSAA, not UHSAA.
ByuMba90
3/5/15 1:15pm
player control
sdg_coug
3/5/15 3:34pm
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SlavaBlue
3/5/15 12:59pm
RE: #13 - I feel like I've always seen the top called out of bounds.
FootBackwards
3/5/15 1:51pm
This gets called in church ball a lot, but it is the incorrect call
CougarBacker
3/5/15 1:53pm
As a high school and county rec official, it's mind numbing how many spectators
CougarBacker
3/5/15 1:58pm
I would get that from a lot of players. They would say "I took two steps". I
downtownchrisbrown
3/5/15 2:04pm
The other one I used to get all the time was the people who would whine about
CougarBacker
3/5/15 2:12pm
Of course, you always have the crowd who wants an and one after getting fouled
CougarBacker
3/5/15 2:14pm
I had a really noisy fan in an empty gym (maybe 20 spectators) really yelling
downtownchrisbrown
3/5/15 2:21pm
Haha those guys are the best. The ones that don't know the rules, but they're
CougarBacker
3/5/15 2:25pm
Nothing on carrying the ball while dribbling; did you watch I. Thomas vs Jazz?
Hinta
3/5/15 1:00pm
See #7
BYUBandfan
3/5/15 1:08pm
Yeah, carrying happens ALL the time in basketball. It's just rarely called. In
db59840
3/5/15 1:16pm
Fantastic stuff ... well said.
tassell
3/5/15 1:00pm
who thinks #6 isn't true?
fattycoug
3/5/15 1:04pm
traveling
sdg_coug
3/5/15 3:37pm
#8 used to be all contact with the foot at least at the HS level. Must have
db59840
3/5/15 1:05pm
Its always been intentional
sdg_coug
3/5/15 3:39pm
#3 is misleading. There is usually contact when someone reaches over another
db59840
3/5/15 1:09pm
I think the idea is contact vs pushing
22jrob22
3/5/15 1:14pm
but the player being "reached over" is often the one to initiate contact
fattycoug
3/5/15 1:15pm
Right. I have a problem when the offensive player clearly reaches over the
db59840
3/5/15 1:23pm
but why should the boxing player be able to push the other player?
fattycoug
3/5/15 1:34pm
Actually, I think you're right. I don't see anything in the rulebook about
db59840
3/5/15 1:39pm
boxing out
sdg_coug
3/5/15 3:45pm
My coaches/Dad always taught me that too, but I guess they were wrong.
db59840
3/5/15 4:01pm
similar to slide tackles from behind in soccer
blucoug18
3/5/15 1:55pm
reaching over
sdg_coug
3/5/15 3:41pm
That's why good coaches always have their players jump for rebounds
downtownchrisbrown
3/5/15 4:19pm
the hand part of the ball rule...seems like nobody's heard of that one.
Government Bailout
3/5/15 1:11pm
Whenever I bring that up in pickup games, almost no one believes me.
db59840
3/5/15 1:13pm
i started to doubt myself, but i might print this out and take it from now on!
Government Bailout
3/5/15 1:29pm
Haha. Sometimes I go to the phone between games and pull it up on the NCAA
db59840
3/5/15 1:31pm
I thought that was a myth - interesting to see it in writing
dryflyelk
3/5/15 1:29pm
not when shooting
sdg_coug
3/5/15 3:48pm
incorrect. Rule 10 article 2 of the NCAA mens basketball rulebook.
Government Bailout
3/5/15 3:57pm
You're right
sdg_coug
3/5/15 4:29pm
Just so I am clear. When I am shooting a shot
BYUALWAYSNUM1
3/5/15 9:53pm
yep, legal play.
sdg_coug
3/8/15 10:48am
Re: #16: Why was Worthington's "box-out" during the KC dunk last Saturday
db59840
3/5/15 1:13pm
When done near the basket, can be seen as trying to "establish" a position, even
byufan007
3/5/15 1:34pm
It was definitely a foul on Worthington. No doubt. But the clever players make
tassell
3/5/15 1:35pm
Inside the key, that is rarely called. If he had that sort of contact
Thrill
3/5/15 2:25pm
CB needs to have a ticker at the bottom of the board with these rules during
Conan O'Fresno
3/5/15 1:14pm
#12 is always called on the defender, you almost never see it called on the
Conan O'Fresno
3/5/15 1:16pm
Yep. I hate that so much. I always get fouls called on me when I take a wide
db59840
3/5/15 1:19pm
Legal guarding position requires shoulders and knees to be close to vertical.
downtownchrisbrown
3/5/15 4:24pm
There is no definition of how wide is too wide though.
db59840
3/5/15 4:39pm
Here is how FIBA describes it. I'm sure other rule books have their own
downtownchrisbrown
3/5/15 5:16pm
Well, that's about as wide as I ever place my feet, so I stand by my position.
db59840
3/9/15 9:46am
never seen a push off called
sdg_coug
3/5/15 3:52pm
My HS coach made sure we understood the rules, #9 has caused a ton
CaliWG
3/5/15 1:20pm
airball
sdg_coug
3/5/15 3:52pm
TRAVELING: when you slide across the floor with the ball in your hand,
dryflyelk
3/5/15 1:26pm
False. Rolling on the ground is a travel. Sliding used to be, but now it has
rggee
3/5/15 1:49pm
Also has to do with whether control of the ball is established or if the ball is
byufan007
3/5/15 1:58pm
This is from the 2015 NCAA Rules Case Book.
rggee
3/5/15 2:03pm
Right - so you CAN slide across the floor as long as its from initial momentum
dryflyelk
3/5/15 2:36pm
I'm glad they changed it. Rewards hustle.
ToughGuy
3/5/15 3:11pm
The "advantage" thing is way too subjective for me. I hate
gwalker
3/5/15 1:28pm
i.e. every time Waldow has the ball. Shaq did it too. You shouldn't just be
db59840
3/5/15 1:30pm
Dont bring the NBA into a discussion about rules.
PolarisPrime
3/5/15 3:11pm
that's why I hate the NBA...
icecougar
3/5/15 3:49pm
Amen.
PolarisPrime
3/5/15 4:36pm
the rule isn't vague, it's easy to see that when Waldow slams his shoulder...
icecougar
3/5/15 3:46pm
The way Bogut and Miles went at it in the post
PolarisPrime
3/5/15 4:38pm
I always felt bad for Worthington and Mika last year...
icecougar
3/5/15 7:19pm
Both true
PolarisPrime
3/5/15 9:39pm
Pac12 officals are the one clear advantage that Utah received when they...
icecougar
3/7/15 8:41pm
There are far more than two examples.
PolarisPrime
3/7/15 9:51pm
Good link for anyone interested in stuff like this
22jrob22
3/5/15 1:32pm
I always thought with #8, the kicked ball, if the foot was in the air and it
budYu
3/5/15 2:15pm
I didn't know the one about the pivot foot having to come back down. Interesting
Almaden Cougar
3/5/15 2:17pm
only for shooting, passing
sdg_coug
3/5/15 4:01pm
I've coached basketball for thirty years and that was informative.
gstodd
3/5/15 2:25pm
30 years is a long time
sdg_coug
3/5/15 4:03pm
Thanks for the compliment. Obviously, you are aware of how ambiguous the rules
gstodd
3/7/15 6:44pm
Ive reffed basketball for almost as long
PolarisPrime
3/5/15 4:39pm
3, 4 and 8 are what I see most.
Walter Bellhaven
3/5/15 2:46pm
I hate the proliferation of pushing off that I see now with guards...
icecougar
3/5/15 3:57pm
High school kids around here constantly dribble with their arm out...
bluecheese
3/5/15 4:08pm
Over and back is really misunderstood too.
bluecheese
3/5/15 4:10pm
Also a lot of kids think that if there's a shot you can get called for backcourt
tebowned
3/5/15 4:28pm
Is it back court if....
invisible sman
3/5/15 6:13pm
It is in FIBA
downtownchrisbrown
3/5/15 6:20pm
No. Control must be established. Offense can even tip it into the backcourt on a
cucciolo25
3/5/15 7:38pm
Yes, this is a backcourt violation
sdg_coug
3/6/15 11:59am
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