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Jul 20, 2017
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So why not really?

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macaroni

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Mika signs with Pesaro in Italy:

rainorsnow

7/20/17 6:28am

Congratulations Mika!

ChinoCoug

7/20/17 6:29am

So? I don't read "I" talian, or follow euro b ball. How much $ is he making and

7/20/17 6:46am

He's in the best league in Italy.

thebruce

7/20/17 7:06am

IIRC they also have a built in room and board as part of the package for all foreign players in most euro pro leagues

JohnnyComeLately

7/20/17 7:19am

Yep. Not to mention he comes from a savvy family when it comes

thebruce

7/20/17 7:22am

I know he comes from wealth,but I was simply asking

7/20/17 7:49am

I have a friend I played hockey with from my home reserve.

JohnnyComeLately

7/20/17 8:11am

Mika isnt your friend.He didnt play his ♡ out or he would still be@BYU He''s

7/20/17 8:20am

Not positive I got everything you meant to write but let me answer to the best of my abilities.

JohnnyComeLately

7/20/17 8:37am

Please Dont confuse my lack of desire to congratulate Mika with a desire to wish

7/20/17 9:13am

He worst argument on CB is the one where someone says that they haven't seen another post about subject X, thus their

macaroni

7/20/17 8:55am

Statistic improbability to not post on similar topoc.

7/20/17 9:15am

He actually is my friend. I've know the family for over 15 years. Bitter much?

7/20/17 9:15am

B-b-b-ut he didn't get his degree

icecougar

7/20/17 3:15pm

He's a unheralded rookie on a small team in a small town. I doubt he'll make

chilango

7/20/17 7:16am

You need to realize that those numbers factor in all divisions. He's in the top one. Now way he's under 100. That's

macaroni

7/20/17 7:46am

Do you have any data or information to back this up? Or just speculation?

chilango

7/20/17 7:49am

All you have to do is analyze your article. It's not difficult. You did it yourself. The average is 65. There are more

macaroni

7/20/17 7:53am

So not really. Anyway, keep in mind that the euro is also a lot weaker than it

chilango

7/20/17 7:57am

So why not really?

macaroni

7/20/17 8:00am

He's confirming that you have no data or info to back it up

Bgash

7/20/17 8:18am

Not really. Do you?

macaroni

7/20/17 8:25am

He provided 3 different links that are somewhat relevant. Better than nothing.

Bgash

7/20/17 1:40pm

they're blogs without any actual data. it's all opinion.

macaroni

7/20/17 9:00pm

Because you don't really have data to back up your statement. Here is another

chilango

7/20/17 9:10am

Uh...that actually backs me up, not you. And I didn't need to provide any data other than the fact that there are

macaroni

7/20/17 9:48am

It is more of an educated guess than an assumption, but I agree that it isn't a

chilango

7/20/17 9:53am

I didn't? The fact that Italy has many divisions isn't a data point???

macaroni

7/20/17 10:32am

The article states that the best case scenario was $100k in the best leagues for

chilango

7/20/17 10:48am

did you happen to read your own links?

macaroni

7/20/17 8:59pm

43%income tax bracket too plus 1%

7/20/17 8:31am

Where are the divisions listed and ranked? TIA.

7/20/17 7:54am

There are a ton

thebruce

7/20/17 8:10am

Italy population is 60 mil that many divisions..the

7/20/17 8:42am

Most leagues do suck.

thebruce

7/20/17 8:45am

What is the tax rate in italy? Cost of living? What is his take home, etc?

7/20/17 7:52am

Do you think Eric didn't know all this before deciding to leave BYU?

Brigham

7/20/17 8:21am

I am presumptuous.

Brigham

7/20/17 8:13am

Ha! The cougarboard post is the same length as the linked article.

cujo22

7/20/17 6:46am

Same. I clicked on the link hoping for contract details or a story...nope

2018grad

7/20/17 7:46am

The Plan

7/20/17 7:27am

It's unlikely that he is making that much. Not sure where people are getting the

chilango

7/20/17 7:33am

The average budget for players and coaches per team in his league is about 8 mil

thebruce

7/20/17 7:37am

Read this, and keep in mind that Pesaro is a very small club in a small town,

chilango

7/20/17 7:38am

That average is not equally distributed, and this isn't one of the top teams.

jrob30

7/20/17 7:43am

I know that. The top teams probably have 15 million dollar budgets

thebruce

7/20/17 7:46am

Soccer is much bigger in Italy than basketball, and Italian soccer teams don't

hansel

7/20/17 8:08am

going back to mission country with wife to play hoops and get paid...hmmm...

nashty

7/20/17 7:32am

Are you sure? Starting salaries for rookie basketball players in Italy are

chilango

7/20/17 7:36am

BUT HE'S PLAYING A SPORT... IN ITALY... FOR MONEY!!!

Revolution

7/20/17 7:43am

if i'm 23 and really good at basketball i'll postpone my "business career" a few

nashty

7/20/17 7:44am

That's fine, if he just really wanted to live in Italy, then more power to him.

chilango

7/20/17 7:48am

who's arguing it's some "financial bonanza"? (whatever that is) and great for

nashty

7/20/17 8:00am

Why? If Italy was that great more Americans would move there.

7/20/17 8:13am

He will be. 43%tax bracket plus an additional 1% local rate,so

7/20/17 8:18am

Lol

thebruce

7/20/17 8:22am

i love how CC is now the resident euro CPA. LOL

nashty

7/20/17 8:47am

So what is it then? I can only state what Italy says it is.

7/20/17 8:50am

I have seen a number of people say this on this board over time. A quick search

chilango

7/20/17 8:56am

Are there attorneys who do both deportation defense and H1Bs?

ChinoCoug

7/20/17 7:52am

really smart guys like byutx or carlstud. i'm a solo shop that just does family

nashty

7/20/17 7:58am

you were a business major and you don't do business-related stuff?

ChinoCoug

7/20/17 11:58am

i'm confused...do you legitimately think that the marriott school teaches about

nashty

7/20/17 1:55pm

Yeah,but also.not really congratulations worthy...

7/20/17 8:10am

so you are like the congratulations police? If the neighbor kid lands

cwilke1

7/20/17 8:37am

The salaries aren't as bad as you think. Serie A

thebruce

7/20/17 7:45am

That's cool,but do you know the tax rate?

7/20/17 7:56am

In many instances it's 0% for players. Just depends.

thebruce

7/20/17 8:04am

Just read it's not He''s taxed on all $ made in Italy anything over 65€ = 43%

7/20/17 8:37am

Where did you read that?

thebruce

7/20/17 8:38am

BTW the reason it's typically tax free is because during contract negotiations

thebruce

7/20/17 8:43am

So it's not really tax free they just negotiate

7/20/17 8:53am

The salary is tax free. But obviously the team

thebruce

7/20/17 8:59am

Google looked up income tax rate for italy..

7/20/17 8:48am

Dude. You don't understand how this works.

thebruce

7/20/17 8:55am

If that's how it works cool..so Do you know of any employers

7/20/17 1:54pm

I don't think it works this way either. The team pays his Italian taxes on his

chilango

7/20/17 2:11pm

There is a lot of information online you can read

thebruce

7/20/17 6:04pm

When I lived overseas, I technically paid zero taxes in the various countries I

chilango

7/20/17 8:51pm

Dude, they are paying close to zero in taxes.

thebruce

7/20/17 8:53pm

I have, and I actually lived overseas several times with my employer paying my

chilango

7/20/17 9:10pm

Ok this isn't getting anywhere and it doesn't really matter.

thebruce

7/20/17 9:22pm

your own link said that the taxes are paid for.

macaroni

7/20/17 9:25pm

Sure, like my taxes were paid for in China, by my employer. Doesn't mean I

chilango

7/24/17 9:59pm

Do you want to discuss heaps/Nelson too?

thebruce

7/24/17 10:05pm

I guarantee he is making more doing this than had he graduated from BYU

Dissenter

7/20/17 8:01am

What do you base this on? I recruit for my company at BYU, and we offer new

chilango

7/20/17 9:00am

How long is your season?

jvquarterback

7/20/17 9:25am

Recruiting season kicks off in September, and we usually wrap up in early Dec.

chilango

7/20/17 10:51am

Do you think Eric knew that when he decided to leave BYU?

Brigham

7/20/17 8:24am

I think he had unrealistic expectations about his ability to make an NBA roster.

chilango

7/20/17 8:58am

What I don't get is why not play another year or 2 at BYU? Italy would still be

rggee

7/20/17 7:59am

who said waiting 2 years increases his NBA stock? i don't think that's true at

nashty

7/20/17 8:02am

Who said it wouldn't?

rggee

7/20/17 8:03am

me...for one. i'm sure many others told mika the same thing

nashty

7/20/17 8:10am

Very surprised someone of your basketball intelligence

gurt

7/20/17 8:23am

mika, surprisingly, peaked in year 1 after his mission. he knew it. he moved

nashty

7/20/17 8:54am

I'd love to see these mountains of data

Playoff

7/20/17 9:19am

this is SOOOO easy...look at ANY draft in the last 10 years and tell me how many

nashty

7/20/17 1:58pm

Yes exactly, they are talking about that

gurt

7/20/17 2:42pm

that's what NCAA says. that doesn't mean NBA GM's are gonna actually pick kids

nashty

7/20/17 4:35pm

Yes... but. That's not what the convo Is about

gurt

7/20/17 4:41pm

there are also many examples

lukeskywalker

7/20/17 9:51am

who said it was "always" a benefit? or that it was without risk? no one is

nashty

7/20/17 1:59pm

conventional wisdom for early entrants to NBA draft:

lukeskywalker

7/20/17 2:54pm

This is correct. Just must not have been a basketball decision

archie

7/20/17 2:58pm

Very well said

gurt

7/20/17 4:45pm

His stock is essentially 0

archie

7/20/17 8:37am

The Jazz just signed 2 guys from the Euro leagues.

cwilke1

7/20/17 8:40am

yeah...NBA teams never sign players from europe! much better chances in the NBA

nashty

7/20/17 8:49am

fixed*

archie

7/20/17 9:00am

Maybe because he and his wife want the experience now

kccougar

7/20/17 8:11am

Uhh... congratulations ... I guess ?

gurt

7/20/17 8:04am

I love how people here are making decision for him. Goodness gracious.

ChinoCoug

7/20/17 8:17am

Who is making decisions for him? I just don't undersrand

7/20/17 9:02am

Bunch of fat, middle aged "BYU fans" can't be happy for a former player

fredetteaboutit13

7/20/17 8:38am

Heyyy... I'm not fat!

gurt

7/20/17 8:41am

Sorry I should have said besides gurt. I've seen you on tv!

fredetteaboutit13

7/20/17 8:44am

Ok ok.. I could probably lose 10

gurt

7/20/17 8:47am

That's not his dream. His dream was nba..So let's start there.

7/20/17 9:00am

He's getting paid to play basketball. Yes that's a dream.

Machiavelli

7/20/17 9:17am

No you aren't paying sttention I don't care that he left I just don't understand

7/20/17 2:30pm

And....nor am I sad for him. I just don't freaking care.

idacoug

7/20/17 10:39am

I seriously can't stand the negativity on CB surrounding Mika.

Machiavelli

7/20/17 9:14am

I don't think it's negativity

Playoff

7/20/17 9:22am

Honestly his motives don't even matter that much.

Machiavelli

7/20/17 9:27am

exactly...most are blinded by their BYU fandom. leave the kid alone

nashty

7/20/17 2:02pm

Amen.

Bgash

7/20/17 1:52pm

it's seriously weird...very, very weird.

nashty

7/20/17 2:01pm

Honestly this is the best thing that could have happened for BYU

archie

7/20/17 10:00am

I also hope recruits distance themselves from fansites like this.

cwilke1

7/20/17 10:23am

^^^ glass is half full sort of CB'r

lightmann

7/20/17 11:25am

WPOTD

Dissenter

7/20/17 11:53am

I have kids your age, and if they wanted to do what you just said you would do,

chilango

7/20/17 12:32pm

I would probably finish one semester. But two years to put off making bank? idk

Dissenter

7/20/17 3:16pm

White Punks On Dope?

archie

7/20/17 2:51pm

lol, forgot the T in POTD

Dissenter

7/20/17 3:16pm

And then point to Jimmer to see the benefits of staying

BYU '80

7/20/17 12:23pm

I hope he does well, still wish he was a Cougar though. His choice, so best of luck.

lightmann

7/20/17 10:56am

AMEN!

7/20/17 2:32pm

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