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Nov 21, 2017
8:05:02pm

icecougar All-American

it became a black eye for the program and was a reputation that started to become synonymous nationally with BYU.

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We need a coach that can establish and define a culture. Bronco’s stern affect

Run-DMT

11/21/17 1:07am

Everything Bronco was mocked for is everything we are missing. Most of us have

Cougarfan777

11/21/17 1:20am

I was told Sitake’s “culture” was what we were missing before. Which was

DirtyWater

11/21/17 7:37am

Those weren’t the things that irritated fans

antiyewt

11/21/17 9:06am

Yep. Also recruiting blunders and we plateaued at 8 wins per season for 4 yrs

D.T. Survivor

11/21/17 9:13am

I would die for 8 wins this year. Or 7 or even 6.

OmahaThunderCoug

11/21/17 9:28am

I would love that too. Some of us (me for sure) took 8 wins for granted.

D.T. Survivor

11/21/17 9:33am

You would? Really? If it was the 7th season in a row of 8 wins you'd

SandYFan

11/21/17 9:41am

Forgot to mention recruiting

antiyewt

11/21/17 9:38am

Would love to see evidence that Kalani

kooogar

11/21/17 10:03am

Come on, there were a bunch of high profile transfers

antiyewt

11/21/17 10:10am

Between dads being hired as coaches and Kalani's initial popularity,

kooogar

11/21/17 1:51pm

Okay, let's look at those complaints and I'll point out where Bronco used

Cougarfan777

11/21/17 11:18am

Hurray for Bronco! He’s just so dreamy!

Paul Hewson

11/21/17 7:47pm

8-5 8-5 8-5 losses to Utah, Moo U, bsu

Paul Hewson

11/21/17 7:45pm

Great post. And i agree.....every b should see this now. It’s been obvious for

OmahaThunderCoug

11/21/17 9:26am

WRONG, 100% WRONG. Runs up to the Y and those other things are NOT

Kerbouchard

11/21/17 11:49am

slogans, firesides . . . don't lie to yourself.

VenetianCougar

11/21/17 2:13pm

Bronco was a negative Nancy and hated fans. That never changed. He resented

LV Mike

11/21/17 9:43pm

As long as you don't include recruiting and a few other things

youngbuck

11/22/17 4:59pm

Agree that this is the foundation that's missing. Can Kalani change his ways to

ManinChina

11/21/17 1:38am

That’s a great question. Sometimes it’s hard to predict who can set culture

Run-DMT

11/21/17 1:44am

Some may not like it but Dr. ANAE

kahuna

11/21/17 2:13am

Yes, and he’d be more qualified than at least 90%

Run-DMT

11/21/17 2:31am

Similar reasons to why Chow should have got the job after LaVell, but some

Polecat

11/21/17 8:38am

Chow?! Yeah, he did such a great job at Hawaii as HC, right?

Kerbouchard

11/21/17 11:52am

Give me a break. BYU in 2001 is not similar at all to Hawaii a few years ago

Polecat

11/21/17 11:58am

Kalani doesn’t have the organizational skills to do it...unless he learns from Bronco’s reading list

Bonoman

11/21/17 7:25am

It takes more than books you either have it or you Don't for the most part could

kahuna

11/21/17 9:59am

If you were to pin me down...I would say Kalani doesn't have it...

Bonoman

11/21/17 10:42am

Corporate cliches and buzz words are what clueless people use because they think

Paul Hewson

11/21/17 7:49pm

You seem to have a good read on reality, love your 6 thumbs down to 1 up!

kooogar

11/21/17 11:03pm

The more thumbs down the better on CB. You people are freaks.

Paul Hewson

11/21/17 11:25pm

Bronco’s “outstanding seasons” all happened in the MWC.

mm73

11/21/17 4:54am

Right but he never even came close to 3 and 10

Soy Celeste

11/21/17 5:02am

many of our losses were to non P5 schools we should beat.

GA_Coug

11/21/17 6:07am

define many

MormonThug

11/21/17 11:16am

Even his bad seasons were a trillion times more enjoyable than this one.

ballen

11/21/17 6:15am

I vehemently diaagree..maybe a billion,million,actually maybe onklly 2×

CarolinaCoug

11/22/17 11:29am

They also happened to be the years when he had healthy QBs.

BerkeleyCoug

11/21/17 7:05am

Its funny how all of those healthy QBs played in the same offense

CaliWG

11/21/17 8:52am

And before he ditched Anae the first time

CaliWG

11/21/17 8:51am

Bronco was mocked for running it like a business. I never understood why.

SlantRoute

11/21/17 7:01am

He got mocked because that always gave the impression he was running a business,

Polecat

11/21/17 8:14am

Still, Bronco’s approach would’ve yielded 6-7 wins at least this season.

SlantRoute

11/21/17 10:45am

Definitely. I was just stating why it bothered people, myself included.

Polecat

11/21/17 2:29pm

Defintely? Maybe sure sefinitelt iseasy to debate.

CarolinaCoug

11/23/17 3:36pm

That's what Bronco did, and Sitake seemed to miss on.

Eddie

11/21/17 9:18am

Agreed. Even though I can’t stand you. May see you at Christmas. Not sure yet

OmahaThunderCoug

11/21/17 9:30am

Completely agree. However, I will say it was time for a change—for both

BYUHgrad

11/21/17 7:04am

I think that’s fair Change was needed, and we made the wrong change.

SlantRoute

11/21/17 7:08am

It might not even be the budget as much as it's the restrictions that

kotacoug

11/21/17 7:11am

It sure seems like Holliday really wanted to be here, but either the money

BerkeleyCoug

11/21/17 7:19am

I would say the resources are more of the problem than what you are describing.

BYUHgrad

11/21/17 7:20am

Btw, has Steve Young weighed in on the issues lately? He’s a guru of team

Run-DMT

11/21/17 7:45am

Here's what he said in September after our 27-0 loss to LSU, and it wasn't good:

Brisco

11/21/17 8:12am

A Guru?

SlantRoute

11/21/17 8:47am

He would make a very good consultant to the AD and HC sharing some...

icecougar

11/21/17 10:38am

Would make a very good AD

Big Daddy D

11/21/17 2:54pm

That was my first thought but I could never see him wanting to be tied down...

icecougar

11/21/17 8:01pm

Totally agree that we need a cultural identity, but ...

blue13

11/21/17 9:16am

Clearly a lack of leadership.

Soy Celeste

11/21/17 9:29am

This is right in line with Sun Tzu's "The Art of War"

ChurroNieves

11/21/17 9:36am

Are you suggesting the team “needs a little motivation”?

BYUHgrad

11/21/17 10:26am

the latter half of Bronco's tenure BYU became a very undisciplined...

icecougar

11/21/17 10:34am

Bronco didn’t care about penalties

antiyewt

11/21/17 10:52am

or nut punches, late hits, brawls, etc

icecougar

11/21/17 8:05pm

This board is mostly about opinions, and I disagree with every single one of

kooogar

11/21/17 2:34pm

yes, it's about opinions and you put forth a lot of them...

icecougar

11/21/17 9:25pm

I appreciate the response, I was disappointed with the brawl and several

kooogar

11/21/17 10:47pm

There's no myth about Crowton's recruiting...

icecougar

11/22/17 3:51pm

This post needs more attention!!!! Awesome analysis sir.

CarolinaCoug

11/22/17 6:25pm

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kooogar

11/22/17 11:19pm

Yes, Bronco won with Crowton's players, the point being discussed was the myth

kooogar

11/22/17 11:10pm

Forget the star rankings and look at what the players did over their careers...

icecougar

11/23/17 4:58am

OK, Bronco took Crowton's 60th rated classes and averaged 26th ranked finishes

kooogar

11/23/17 8:31am

RE: Yes, Bronco won with Crowton's players, the point being discussed was the

icecougar

11/23/17 5:48am

What do you think BYU's record would be if Bronco hadn't left? Assume

Soy Celeste

11/23/17 6:43am

Last year's success (also 4 games where they won in OT or on a last second

kooogar

11/23/17 8:38am

I agree with cultural carryover. It's now been replaced with hakuna matata.

Soy Celeste

11/23/17 9:43am

We need a coach that can establish and define a culture. Really?

socorny

11/21/17 10:51am

How many years did it take for Bronco to field a decent team after the Crowton debacle?

Brisco

11/21/17 10:56am

Um, the W-L record is a really good indicator

antiyewt

11/21/17 10:56am

There are plenty of other factors affecting the W-L record.

socorny

11/21/17 11:10am

The first red flag came for me during fall camp. I remember hearing players talk

Soy Celeste

11/21/17 2:32pm

That was worrisome for me too

antiyewt

11/21/17 2:44pm

Have you ever had responsibility for a large organization? Certainly

Soy Celeste

11/21/17 11:00am

We must not be listening to the same media outlets.

canofpicante

11/21/17 12:09pm

We need Captain Moroni more than ever!

Paul Hewson

11/21/17 7:43pm

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